Steve G.

Mike Says: Join Marriage Forward

In Civil Liberties, Constitutional Rights, Politics on November 12, 2008 at 12:21 am

Hello LFV,

This election cycle brought about a failure in marriage initiatives across the country to legalize same-sex marriages. The people of the several states did go out of their way to define it as a man and a woman, though.
In California, it was banned with 52% of the vote.
In Arizona, 56% of the vote.
In Florida, 62% of the vote.
(Source: USA Today)

One thing that gay rights supporters did learn across the country is that the opposition is well-funded, well-operated, and uses mob-like tactics (threatening to label businesses as “pro-gay” if they didn’t donate to them). On our side, we do what we can, but it’s nowhere near as organized as the anti-gay marriage crowd.

I, in my naivety, underestimated the overall public opinion towards marriage equality. We still have work to do until more than two states allow gay marriages. What will ensue now is a campaign of education, as it seems we start from scratch.

I recently found this site, It’s stated as:

“The Civil Marriage Alliance is a new grassroots organization devoted to achieving civil marriage equality by aggressively reaching out not only to gay people, but to all people.”

This is different then other gay organizations that align with parties, such as Outright Libertarians (which I’m a part of). This group is out to unite all people, gay or straight, behind the cause of equality.

The five-point plan is the back-drop of the campaign:

1 . A greater focus on including straight allies in the fight for civil marriage equality.

2. Increased emphasis on engaging minority and underserved communities on gay rights issues.

3. Better utilization of new media to build a national network of people—gay and straight—who can present a show-of-force on gay rights issues simply by virtue of standing up and being counted.

4. A national public education campaign designed to preemptively guard against misinformation campaigns like the one launched against gays in California’s Proposition 8 campaign.

5. An effort to jumpstart a national conversation about the civil nature of marriage.

To Libertarians: This isn’t the “get the government out of the marriage argument” that I myself support, but it’s a start.

To learn more about the five planks, go to
Sign up there for future updates and to help us gain strength in numbers.

Thanks for reading,

  1. BTW, ENM: This isn’t what I came here to post, but tonight’s gonna be an all-nighter anyway. 😀

  2. What does one make of the fact that 70% of black voters in California rejected gay marriage? This is a voting block that is 1)most Democratic in the country and 2) themselves the most discriminated against group in U.S. history. And, if one buys into the rubric that gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage, the group that statistically fathers highest percentage of out of wedlock babies and non-support of their children.

  3. Roscoe, it’s not race that’s the primary issue – it’s faith.

    According to the prop 8 exit polls here in CA, 10% of the voters were black. They voted 70/30 for prop 8. But, if you take 20% of the “yes’ voters and move them to “no” (to represent the same voting split as almost every other ethnic group), the number of votes moved doesn’t come close to making up the present half-million vote spread between the two sides.

    So, it’s unfortunate they’re being singled out for criticism at the moment because it’s not them per se that did it to us. They “helped”, but they’re not deserving of all the blame that’s being heaped on them at the moment.

    Let’s look at faith-based voters. In the exit polls, the 32% who reported going to church on a weekly basis voted 84/16 in favor of prop 8. The 21% who reported never going to church voted 17/83 against. The 44% who reported occasionally going to church were almost evenly split (46% in favor, 54% opposed). So, it was the 32%-21% advantage of weekly church-goers vs. non church-goers that made a serious difference. We need to work harder amongst those in more liberal denominations and those who never go to church, to turn them out in future elections.

  4. Mike, you are welcome to post whatever you feel appropriate on LFV. Personally, I like this post, and find the comments interesting as well. So …. welcome to LFV! 🙂

  5. Yeah, it was being hyped as the reason to go to the polls if you’re a Christian in CA. Everyone knew the state would go Obama, and so they needed something to move the Christian base. Prop 8 was heavily hyped by churches here.

  6. My understanding is that many Black Women are uncomfortable with gay marriage due to the desire not to lose Black Men. There is also an undercurent that gay rights are not a ‘real’ issue as Black civil rights and the GBLT’s are out of touvh with Black suffering. I’ve had some surprising discussions with local Black leaders on this, and it seems to me that therefore outreach to the Black churches is a key.

    Let’s remember that when Libs first brought up the concepts after various court decisions in 1972, even the GBLT community thought we were quite nuts. Now conservative Spain has Civil Unions. Now near majorities in USAQ are voting for Civil Unions. So don’t be discouraged. The opposition is vicious because they’re losing one more rope of te bigotry and lust to coerce that underlies the Cult of the Omnipotent State.

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