Steve G.

Palin’s minister drives out witchcraft, makes Obama’s minister look completely sane in comparison

In Crazy Claims, Fraud, People in the news, Politics, Republican, Sarah Palin on September 25, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Thomas Muthee is a minister from Kenya who has repeatedly preached at Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin’s church (Wasilla Assembly of God).  This is not some long-past connection, nor is it a situation where the church one time invited a visiting minister who they didn’t know was a wackjob.  Muthee has been a visiting minister there since 2005, and most recently preached at Palin’s church this past weekend.

From Wikipedia:

Muthee and his wife returned home to Kenya from Scotland, where he had finished his graduate studies, in 1988.[3][4] They soon felt that they were “called by God to Kiambu” and after six months of prayer, research, and “spiritual mapping,” they came to believe that a witch known as “Mama Jane” was the cause of crime and spiritual oppression in the area.[1][3][4][5][6] Muthee alleged that “top government and business leaders [were] afraid to do anything without her approval,” that at least one person per month would die in a car accident in front of her “divination house” (otherwise known as Emmanuel Clinic), and that she harassed his congregation.[3][4][7] According to Muthee, soon after his followers began to pray that God would either save or oust Mama Jane,[3][4][7][8] three young people died in another apparent accident in front of Mama Jane’s clinic.[3][4][7] The angry townsfolk wanted to stone her in retaliation, and when the police entered Mama Jane’s home to intervene, they were apparently startled by what they believed to be a demon and shot her pet python to death.[3][4][6][7][8] Mama Jane was then questioned by police, after which she left town.[3][4][8] Since then, Muthee has frequently referred to his witch-hunt as an example of successful spiritual warfare.[6]

The event was depicted in two videos by George Otis, Jr.,[9][10] in which Muthee claimed that the crime rate in Kiambu dropped drastically after Mama Jane left.[1][3][5][7][11][12] However, Workgroup “Back to the Bible,” headed by Pastor Rien van de Kraats of Kamperland, Netherlands, found no police reports or any other sources that backed up this claim.[12]

In the video below, after enumerating how religious people should take over the entire country, he drives witchcraft away from Sarah Palin.

Whoo-boy.

  1. Funny thing, is that this was news in come circles on day 2 of the RNC, and the MSM is picking it up now?

    And that’s not a criticism of ENM, either. Not at all.🙂

  2. Meanwhile, Miss Julie Brown was on Stephanie Miller this morning debuting her new rendition of “The Homecoming Queen’s Got a Gun”.

  3. So what’s the problem? This is pretty much standard Christian doctrine. Or is that the problem?
    There’s a fine line between involvement in civil institutions and theocracy. This is still on the right side of that line. And I don’t think it compares at all to J. Wright’s racist church.

  4. Actually, in #1, that should have read “some” circles. My apologies for the horrible typo–typing too fast.

    It’s only standard Xtian doctrine for those who don’t know how to read a Bible and know the original Greek was screwed up in translation. The line “suffer not a witch to live” was actually “suffer not a poisoner to live” and because of primitive fears, they got it all whacked up.

    Never mind the fact that before there were doctors and allopathic medicine, there was healers and naturopathic medicine…and that 80-90% of all Xtian rituals were co-opted from the pagans.

    But that opens a huge can of worms that isn’t worth going into either. Anybody wanting to get into that should go read religioustolerance.org for a while first.

    The interesting thing to note is that this Mutheee character speaks with a Southern tent revival accent…dunno how many of those you’ll find on the Velt…

  5. Rather nutty, but how is he “Palin’s minister?”

  6. makes Obama’s minister look completely sane in comparison

    Wright is one of the most sane people I’ve *ever* heard speak. Have you listened to his talk before the National Press Club?

    Why else do you think Obama had to denounce him? Because he was _telling the truth_.

  7. Michael, I spent 25 years as a Wiccan before I got tired of the BS. You know there’s more to it than one verse.

    Seriously, what’s the issue here? She accepted a blessing offered.

  8. […] the Christian” OMG! Sarah Palin was once prayed over to be protected from witchcraft. ElfNinosMom is having the […]

  9. Jeffrey: The problem is that the man thinks there are scary witches who put spells on people and shape-shift, and the woman who may one day ascend to the presidency thinks it’s a fine idea to get holy protection against scary witches who put spells on people and shape-shift, so they can’t put spells on her.

    You really don’t see a problem with that? Seriously?

    Let’s look at the reality of life in Africa for accused witches:

    “In Southern Africa, decades of violent repression and armed struggles against it have led to a ‘culture of violence’. Witchcraft and witch hunts [directed against evil sorcery] are but two manifestations of that.”

    The Ministry of Safety and Security of South Africa’s Northern Province created a Commission of Inquiry into Witchcraft, Violence and Ritual Killings. The Commission issued a report in 1996-MAY which showed that thousands of people had been accused of witchcraft, have been run out of town and have lost their property. More than 300 had been killed by vigilante mobs over the previous ten years. The victims were accused of “shape-shifting” themselves from human form into bats and birds, of converting people into zombies, and of causing death by calling down lightning or through the use of toxic medicines. These beliefs are quite similar to those which circulated during the Witch burning craze of the Middle Ages and Renaissance in Europe circa 1450 to 1792 CE. Those Witches didn’t exist either. One possible source of confusion in the country is the Suppression of Witchcraft Act (1957) which does not differentiate between most forms of traditional African healing and evil sorcery (black magic); it banned both practices.

    Ten farms have been set up in the Northern Province to hold hundreds of refugees who have been found guilty of witchcraft by traditionalist kangaroo courts and are in danger of being assassinated by mob action.

    The Congolese Human Rights Observatory recently announced that more than 60 people had been burned or buried alive in that country since 1990 – including 40 in 1996. The victims were accused, often by members of their own family, of being witches.

    On 1998-SEP-7, a conference involving about 200 police and government representatives was convened in Thohoyandou, South Africa. Its purpose was to curb Witchcraft-related deaths. Between 1994-APR and 1995-FEB, 97 women and 46 men in South Africa had been accused of being Witches or Wizards, and murdered by townspeople or rural individuals. In the first 6 months of 1998, in the Northern Province alone, 386 crimes had been perpetrated against suspected witches; these included murder, damage to property and assault. Victims accused of Witchcraft are typically women between 55 and 72 years of age. Murders are most common in the rainy season, when Witches are accused of directing lightning at people that they wish to destroy.

    It will be very difficult to eradicate crimes against suspected Witches. Ill-educated people are convinced that evil Witches exist and react violently in what they consider to be self-defense.

  10. Susan: No, I haven’t Pastor Wright’s National Press Club talk. I’d be interested to read it though. Do you have a link?

  11. Hmm. Not sure if it was transcribed (seems like it out to be though); I saw it on youtube. Will look for link later, or it should be easy to find.

    I recommend the speech itself over a transcript; he really is a masterful speaker. I’ve heard snippets of his preaching, and I like those, too, but the style of this talk was much different – though it still had some flavor of the pulpit (and I say that in a good way) about it. Also, the gallery was packed with his peeps, so there was some ‘YES!’ type stuff that made it sound a bit like a Pentecostal church🙂 and annoyed the beejeebus out of the NPC folks.

  12. Thanks, ENM, you answered it far better than I could have.

    And yes, Jeffery, I do know it’s more than one verse, and I also know there a zillion contradictions in there as well.

    I also know that 90% of the stuff in there is hardly original or palatable to me.

    I have no idea what you refer as finding BS in Wicca, but of the infinite paths there, it is easy to find one’s own way.

    I prefer this instead: http://secweb.infidels.org/?kiosk=articles&id=2. Solon had a far bigger influence on this nation than he is ever given credit for.

    (Ditto Tesla, but that’s another topic!)

    But that’s just my own opinion, and it doesn’t disparage anybody else’s POV, either.

  13. BTW, ENM, what’s the source on that long quote? Sounds like it’s something worth a full read.

  14. It came from http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_afri.htm

    Also google “witch africa” and you’ll find a lot more documentation on the problem worldwide.

  15. Does the Rev. Muthee have any stance on how white folks clap in church?

  16. Thanks. Religious Tolerance’s site is an excellent resource.

  17. And people have an issue With Bob Barr’s past regarding his opposition to Wicca on military bases? This guy takes the cake!

    Reminds me: I should watch the old Vincent Price movie “Witchfinder General” this weekend.

  18. Well, Gene, at least Murthee has never been a US Congressman. I’m one of those people who had an issue with that.

    The African witch-burning thing is a problem, but it’s not being orchestrated or directed by Christians. Traditional societies have always had an issue with alleged negative magic users, and have usually dealt with it extra-judicially. Is that right? No. Should African Christians be playing along? No. Should they send a HIGHWAY ENGINEER to the alleged witch’s property and fix whatever causes all those accidents? Maybe, but it ain’t gonna happen.

    I’d have to go back to the video again (can’t now, I’m on the home dialup), but I don’t remember anything about shape-shifting there. Murthee may believe that, but I don’t think you can tar Palin with it. As for spellwork, I’m still unreconstructed-pagan enough to believe that thought is creative. If the folks at WAoG want to weave light thoughts to protect her from dark thoughts, I don’t see how I can object to that. Prayer is good.

    I guess I just don’t buy the Peikoffian notion that religion is the world’s biggest threat to freedom, not after 100 million or so have been killed in the name of state atheism.And like it or not, America is re-Christianizing, through unstoppable demographic processes (hint: the “fertility religion” isn’t breeding). That being the case, we’re best off stressing the freedom memes already present in Christianity, rather than making another set of enemies. Personally, I think that using government to make somebody moral is totally incompatible with the Christian message, given that it’s a form of salvation-by-works. And any attempt for Christianity to take over the state (which belongs to Satan; cf. the temptation of Christ) runs into the fallenness problem, and ends up harming the reputation of the Church. Regrettably, some other Christians don’t agree. But I suspect we’re headed for a level of FUBAR in which they’ll get with the program.

    Michael: the “differing paths” all have similar basic beliefs and a similar culture.

  19. Jeff Quick is right: Rev. Wright is a hero, and this guy is yet another Israel-first Zionist.

  20. Preaching to the choir, Jeffrey. I figured that out at age 3.

    And G.E. is wrong: both Muthee and Wright are nuts.

  21. Actually this guy seems kinda mild compared to some of the BS I’ve heard from some of the witch-hunters back there. I console myself with remembering that in the Dine (Navajo) language chi’indi can mean either demon or witch, and the view of much of Africa is similar, at least in areas with a significant animist population.

  22. Religious hatred by such preachers is an ugly thing, especially in the presence of a candidate for President of the Senate.

    Too bad more Christians, Jews, Muslims and the rest can’t be like many of the Amish and not impose their views by government coercion.

    BTW, the witch persecutions in Africa are often led by local religious authorities, especially Protestant and Muslim. They wipe out the competition and seize the land entrusted to the shaman or even all the tribal lands. Similar things happen in Latin America as well, though the excuse is more often sexual abuse (under 16’s marry each other, and they are rest and seize the entire tribe, orchestrated by these very same adb ventist and other minister types). It’s an old story. Rothbard wrote a book on how this also operated in the Salem trials, dehumanizing greed justified by God.

  23. Jeffrey wrote,
    “So what’s the problem? This is pretty much standard Christian doctrine. Or is that the problem?”

    As a number of people here have pointed out, belief in witchcraft is not standard Christian doctrine.

    But, Murthee’s take on Christianity is anything but standard.

    Murthee is part of a movement known as Transformations Revival, headed by George Otis, president and founder of the Sentinal research Group in Seattle, and Peter Wagner, the Head of Global Harvest Ministries in Colorado Springs. and what TR teaches is the direct opposite of standard Christianity.

    The Bible teaches that we are saved when we believe that Jesus is His Son and that God has raised him from the dead:
    Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved…
    …and that it is AFTER we are saved that we become sons of God:
    Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    But in his book, “The God They Never Knew”, Otis teaches that we are born the sons of God:
    “Because all human peoples belong to God initially by right of fatherhood, Satan has no automatic control over them. Unless individuals give themselves over to the rulership of Satan willingly, they will remain under the tender influence of the Holy Spirit.”

    And Otis teached that Jesus did not redeem us:
    “Christ has not redeemed us by giving His life as a ransom for our sins in order that He might release us. God never kept man captive in sin. The truth is Christ paid no man’s debt.”

    But the Bible says:
    Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    More:
    http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/02/george-otis-transformation-spiritual.html

  24. Racism that Obama really covers up:

    What I say here is found in books that anyone can find on the Internet (www.amazon.com or http://www.bn.com) or rare bookstores. Do you realize that many women are supporting a group whose founder spoke highly of the Nazis’ practices and teachings in the 1930s and 1940s, and who wrote books with racists wordings and ugly eugenics practices, such as getting rid of those kids who were deformed or had genetic problems?

    What group and founder are I talking about? Let me give you some idea what this founder wrote in her books (yes, she is a woman). This female founder refers to people who are epileptics, feeble-minded, blind, deaf, mute, etc. as:

    –> “…this dead weight of human waste…” that is “…the terrific cost to the community…”

    This female says, “‘Constructive’ Eugenics…shows us that we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all…”

    Lovely, isn’t it?

    And then she refers to these problem people this way:

    –> “Every single case of inherited defect, every malformed child, every congenitally tainted human being brought into this world is of infinite importance to that poor individual; but it is of scarcely less importance to the rest of us and to all of our children who must pay in one way or another for these biological and racial mistakes.”

    She also said that large families should kill some of their children so as to save “resources” for others.

    How about this idea which is similar to the Nazis’ propaganda during the 1930s?

    –> “On its scientific side, Eugenics suggest the reestablishment of the balance between the fertility of the “fit” and the “unfit.” ”

    In one of her publications, a magazine review, persons sympathetic to the Nazis’ practices and even German Nazis themselves wrote articles for her. In other documents, she refers to the supremacy of the white race over the other races. Isn’t great that she wrote side-by-side with those Nazis?

    What are these books and materials to which I refer?

    “The Pivot of Civilization”

    “Woman and the New Race”

    “The Birth Control Review”

    Who is the author of this trash?
    Who is this supporter of the Nazi eugenic practices?

    MARGARET SANGER
    Founder of PLANNED PARENTHOOD

    Do people think that Jewish women are blind to Margaret Sanger’s promotion of racial eugenics? Let me quote something from her that both she and Planned Parenthood standby:

    –> “By education, by persuasion, by appeals to racial ethics and religious motives, the ardent Eugenicist hopes to increase the fertility of the “fit.” ”

    Planned Parenthood refers to her as a Woman of Valor. Do you like that term? Not all of us Jewish women are now blind to what Planned Parenthood is doing to women all over the world. Are you?

    AND note also that the Gay / Lesbian Groups ALL support Planned Parenthood WITHOUT any reservations also!

    a Jewish woman who was deceived and attacked by Planned Parenthood and who also lost relatives in the Holocaust, thanks to Margaret Sanger

  25. Catherine: Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It’s nothing but political spam.

    However, even if that were not the case, you might want to look up the meaning of the word “libertarian”, since you are on a libertarian blog.

  26. I like how misconceptions and ignorance unite. This is an old post, so Ill likely be ignored but, to the poster who thinks the Original Greek was mistranslated and it should be “Suffer not a Poisoner to live”, two things.

    1: The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, not Greek, and Exodus is in the Old.

    2: The Hebrew word is Kashaph, and means sorcerer, whisperer, or witch, not Poisoner. (THat’d be R’ouch”)

    No translation has ever said “suffer not a poisoner to live”, and the same word is use din Daniel 2:2, when Nebuchadnezzar summons people such as Astrologers and Sages to help interpret his dreams. Amongst them are Kashaphs, which, if this meant poisoners, means Nebuchadnezzar summoned poisoners thinking they’d know what his dreams meant.

    I’m sorry but, your repeating an old myth.

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