Steve G.

Stuber email: It would take a miracle for Barr to win – Quick, send money!

In Libertarian Party-US, Libertarian Politics, Politics on September 20, 2008 at 1:36 pm

This is the latest email from the Barr campaign, written by Robert Stuber.

Dear Friend,

It has been several weeks since you’ve heard from me and I’ll bet you were wondering what had happened to me.

Well, for the time being I’m still here at Bob Barr for President national campaign headquarters in Atlanta. If you’ve bothered to open any of my more recent diatribes, you know that I’m the campaign’s fundraiser and I have a deal with people who support the cause with a financial gift of as little as just $5.

That deal? Send a gift and you’ll never hear from me again.

You see, according to our database records – and those are never wrong, right? – we show that you have been receiving our emails (presumably indicating your support for Bob Barr) and we have yet to record even a $5 gift in support of this history-making venture.

I figure you must be one of four types of people.

A.) You are an official with the media trying to catch the Bob Barr campaign making some stupid, outrageous or erroneous statement. You can’t wait to say “gotcha!”

B.) The McCain or Obama campaign has hired you to similarly monitor our statements – (of course, they would have to hire you because they have no real volunteer support willing to do such mundane tasks and they have a gazillion dollars between them and can afford to hire you.) Those dollars have either come from special interests or, in the case of the McCain campaign, MY TAX DOLLARS, which I deeply resent . . . but I digress.

C.) Thirdly, you are unemployed, or too young to have a job, and can’t afford to part with a few bucks. I understand that and am cool with it. I hope you find my musings informative, educational and perhaps entertaining and please know that I hope your financial condition improves in the near future. That said, if Obama or McCain are elected, I’m not optimistic about the future economy of our nation . . . but then again I am biased and believe that ONLY Bob Barr as President will improve our economy by enacting meaningful reductions in government spending, eliminating wasteful and counter-productive regulations and programs, and reducing the tax burden you will eventually be stuck with.

D.) You are a great American and true believer who like me admires Bob Barr and wishes he “had a chance of winning.” You share my sentiment that neither McCain nor Obama will bring any real change to Washington. You recognize that the so-called “two party system” is corrupt and broken and special interests have too much power. You are in independent thinker and may be relatively new (after all we are adding thousands of new readers to this message every week) to the Bob Barr email list. But you still don’t think Bob Barr’s campaign is worth your investment. You worry that votes Bob captures will divide our country or possibly lead to a win by a candidate you really don’t care for.

So if you are in category “D,” the rest of this message is for you (But everyone else is welcome to read along . . . as if I could stop you . . . )

Here’s the reason you should get off the dime and drop a $5 bill on Bob Barr. You see, I may be a bit idealistic, but I’m not stupid. I realize that unless a miracle occurs (and I do believe in them and pray for one daily), the chance that Bob Barr is elected President on November 4 is slim.

So why waste time and resources supporting him? It’s simple, really. I will no longer settle for the lesser of two evils, I will no longer put up with government as usual, I will no longer accept that the status quo is all we can ever hope for.

In our nation, change comes very slow In some ways, that’s good. But today our federal government is almost totally out of control. There are a few good elected officials in Washington, but they are indeed scarce. The corrupt are teamed with the ones who want socialism, and that’s the direction in which we are headed.

A decade ago I had hope that the GOP might win out over socialism, but I was wrong and they have gone over to the dark side of big government and more spending just like the Democrats.

Do you find yourself nodding as you read this? I’m sure you are.

As they say on TV, “but wait, there’s more . . .”

Let’s talk about our privacy and the nature of big government to spy on its citizens. Let’s talk about your fundamental civil rights – like those guaranteed in the Second Amendment.

When the Bush administration recently went to Congress for re-authorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), it wasn’t good enough for them to pay off the telecom industry with legal immunities for their misdeeds, no . . . they had to expand the government’s capacity to spy on you and me for barely any reason what so ever. That scares me and it should you, too. Both Senators Obama and McCain supported this bill (could it be because both receive huge campaign contributions from people with telecom industry connections?) and because of that, your privacy is NOT a big issue in this campaign. This is an outrage.

Next, on the issue of gun control, there is no question that Barack Obama would work closely with his allies in the Democrat party to add restrictions and ban both certain guns, and certain ammunition. For the guns he can seize, he would make it difficult and expensive to own and use them. On the issue of the Second Amendment, Obama is a very dangerous person, which perhaps explains why the National Rifle Association has hitched their horse to the McCain campaign. But it seems that the leaders of the NRA are willing to overlook an important fact about the McCain record. It has been only nine years, but they seem to have forgotten that John McCain was the primary mover behind the McCain/Lieberman legislation that would have effectively ended the practice of private gun sales and gun shows Defeating McCain/Lieberman and its successors was the NRA’s top agenda item less than a decade ago. Are we to believe that John McCain has changed his tune on gun control? If someone can logically support an end to gun shows, then why not a ban on so-called “assault rifles” like the AR-15s and M1s we collect? Or a ban on semi-automatic handguns like the Colts, Glocks, and S&Ws we own to protect our homes? Or even a ban on the semi-automatic shotguns like the Beretta’s, Mossbergs, Winchesters and Remingtons we own and use for hunting?

Like me, you probably don’t trust the “new” pro-gun John McCain that the NRA is in love with.

Bob Barr’s record on privacy, gun control and our civil rights in general is impeccable. NRA members have recognized this several times by electing him to their Board of Directors.

You and I both know Bob Barr is the most honest, experienced and qualified candidate to occupy the White House in 2009. But there’s still that nagging thought that he “doesn’t have a chance of winning.”

After all the media almost totally ignores the campaign. And, then there’s my greatest gripe of the week. As you know, Bob Barr and his running mate, Wayne Root, are the only candidates who complied with the law for filing to be on the ballot in Texas. It is an open and shut case of Texas bureaucrats ignoring the law, but it is none-the-less a reality that only this campaign complied 100% with the law. Yet, the establishment has taken it upon themselves to ignore the law and certify McCain and Obama. If you or I were to break a Texas law like this, there is no way we would be so protected and favored.

Anyway, today I ask you to turn off those inhibitions that are keeping you from doing the right thing. I ask you to invest in this campaign Win or lose, we will make history and significantly impact Washington. Your gift of just $5 will get you off the list of people who hear from me with these nagging rants. But I sincerely hope you will invest more; $25, $50, $100 will make a big difference. Click here to donate.

Your gift will help us buy time for Bob Barr television and radio ads. And with those ads will come a significant boost in his poll numbers. And with that boost will come more media attention and participation in the national political debates. This is the beginning of that proverbial snow-ball gaining momentum.

So, please, you won’t hear from me again with just a $5 gift, but I ask you to consider even a larger gift to help. Together we can make a miracle happen. Thank you.

Thank you.

Robert Signature
Robert Stuber
Finance Director
Bob Barr for President

  1. Wow, what an e-mail!

    I got inspired to look up the excact definition of the word ‘verbose’ over at Weeeeb Stir’s.

    —-impaired by wordiness—-

    Yeah, that fits all right. I feel ‘impaired’.

    & thanks fer the summ’ry (Quick, send money!)

  2. LOL, I agree. My eyes glazed over about halfway through.

    I was torn on the title between “Quick, Send Money!” and “If you don’t send money, I’m going to annoy the hell out of you”.

  3. What jumped out at me is that it’s saying, “Hey, privacy-loving Libertarian — we have a database on you and I’m using it to hound you!” It’s a voluntary opt-in database, of course, but I imagine it rubbed some the wrong way.

  4. How about, instead of writing a lengthy article few of us will read, working on a real reason to send money? Like a candidate who is promoting the Liebertarian party?

  5. Or “E”, you are a Ron Paul supporter that was probably going to vote for Bob Barr until a week or so ago. Sorry about that. To remove your name from this mailing list, please contact . . .”

  6. Nothing too non-standard in the message, but I would think a campaign which is closing in on $1 million raised could afford to hire better copy.

    The snail mail I received from them – first one I got, I believe – has several errors as well. Not to say I don’t make typos – I make them all the time. But, I would expect higher standards from a fundraising letter which is going out on behalf of a national campaign.

    Message-wise: stop whining and using guilt, and start emphasizing the campaign’s accomplishments logically leading to goals.

  7. bravo, paulie!

  8. Interesting, I didn’t get this email. I wonder if it has to do with my involvement in the “remove Bob Barr” petition?

  9. There is an ad Nancy Reagan did for one of the old man’s campaigns for prez. She begins by defending him against the slurs and then goes on to list his goals. probably the best GD ad in the history of politics. A hell of a fund raiser I hear and it is on the web somewhere. Just one minute, or about 200 words.


  10. He could have been a lot shorter if he had said this:

    “Buddy, can you spare 5 bucks for Barr Quixote to keep tilting at windmills?”

  11. As someone who’s donated well over $5 to the Barr campaign, i can attest that they are still bugging me for money; both Barr and the LP.
    I can also attest that I won’t be giving them a dime more until I see some tangible results, some better decision making, and of course, the exit of Russ Varney and Shane Corey from the campaign.

  12. Two parts of this letter struck me –

    A decade ago I had hope that the GOP might win out over socialism, but I was wrong and they have gone over to the dark side of big government and more spending just like the Democrats.

    A decade ago (and more recently), Barr was, as a Republican congressman, part of that “dark side of big government” . . .

    Bob Barr’s record on privacy, gun control and our civil rights in general is impeccable.

    Barr’s record as a supporter of the 2nd amendment is far inferior to Ron Paul’s, and is about on par with some of the better Democrats, like Bill Richardson. This is hardly impeccable, as the NRA’s compromises on the 2nd amendment (Barr is a “proud” member) are well known.

    Plus, saying that Barr’s record is impeccable on “civil rights in general” is hardly true. In general, has Barr’s “record” on civil rights been to defend civil rights, such as ending the drug war? IS Barr on “record ” in denouncing, “in general”
    infringements of ALL civil liberties . . . what about the “provisions” of the Patriot Act he supports? This is impeccable support for “our civil rights in general”?

    All hogash, and way too long to keep the reader’s attention.

  13. So how much money has been raised, and which candidates did it support? I include some comparison figures, both for August and to date for the entire year.

    Chuck Baldwin: Last Month $35,377. To Date $131,457.

    Ralph Nader: Last month: $658,040. To date: $2,977,570.

    Bob Barr: Last month: $ 221,434 To date: $859,435
    The August total is somewhat better than Mike Badnarik’s $178,000 for August 2004.

    LNC, Inc.: Last Month: $134,085 To date: $1,180,856
    The August LNC total is down 30% from the previous month.

    Whether the letter is good or bad depends on the medium in which it reaches the reader. For an email, the letter is way too long. For a papermail fundraiser, general experience is that the longer a letter, the more effective it is at raising money.

    However, the apparent author of the fundraiser appears to have been paid rather substantially by the Barr campaign.

  14. When are these numbers from? Barr’s page says 969.5k

    LNC says 202.3k (since when?)

  15. […] George Phillies provides the following figures at Last Free Voice […]

  16. Paulie,

    These numbers are from the FEC reports through the end of August, available at by finding ‘electronic filings’ in one of the left side foldouts and searching on “Barr” or “Libertarian” in Committee name. The Barr number on the web page has stopped matching their FEC filings. At the end of August, they had raised $859,000 say the FEC reports, but their web page only reached that number of August 9.

    The LNC dollar clock on their web page was at $8087 on 7/18, has been counting up ever since, and unlike the Barr clock apparently does not include money that is not entering through the electronic system, since in August the clock went from $133,402 on 7/31 in the evening to $173158 on 8/31 in the evening.


  17. For details on how the LNC Spent its money, read

  18. What happened to the $30 million Barr and Root raised after they got the nomination in Denver? ::)

  19. Maybe if Barr/Root got out there and campaigned in states with Libertarian candidates, and started talking to the local media, some enthusiasm could be generated. Barr is practically invisible to the general public.

  20. It has been several weeks since you’ve heard from me and I’ll bet you were wondering what had happened to me.

    Well. Actually. Not really.

  21. …..several weeks….heard….me…….wondering
    Well. Actually. Not really.
    ……..Susan Hogarth

    I don’t understand Eastern-State libertarians and how they think or talk. It’s a struggle for me to communicate with them. I’ll try.
    I’m still workin’ on fig’rin out the four types of people that Mr. Stuber talks about.

    I’m reminded of a cinema-spaghetti-oater (Western) ’bout three types of people
    1) the righteous
    2) the unrighteous
    3) the one whose appearances were ‘less-than-attractive’, so to speak

    After much ado, trouble and conflict, the righteous smote the unrighteous, upon where the righteous saideth unto the one whose appearances were ‘less-than-attractive’, so to speak:

    “There are two types of people in this world. Those with loaded smoters and those who dig.”

    Now if some Eastern-State libertarian wants to solicit me fer funds, for brevity, just limit the people-types to two, so I can relate (so to speak).

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  24. Write more, thats all I have to say. Literally, it seems as though you relied on the video to make your point. You clearly know what youre talking about, why throw away your intelligence on just posting videos to your weblog when you could be giving us something enlightening to read?

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