Steve G.

“Liberty For America” offering memberships

In Activism, George Phillies, Libertarian, Politics, Press Release on September 12, 2008 at 3:37 pm

The following is a membership offering for Liberty For America, sent to LFV by George Phillies.  Please note that LFV is not affiliated with, and has no financial interest in, the Liberty For America organization.

Liberty For America Now Offers Memberships

$15 per year

For more information see the Liberty for America Web Pages at http://LibertyForAmerica.com

Also, the September issue of Liberty for America magazine is now out.  You can read it on the Liberty for America web pages.

Note in particular the Libertarian Centrist manifesto

Libertarian Centrism

How are we to tell Libertarian Centrism apart from radical anarchism, Republican-lite conservatism, or conspiracy theorism? I offer a few thought.

Libertarian centrism is about real politics. We libertarian centrists do not agree about everything. Here are litmus questions. The fact that an issue is a litmus test does not make it an important issue. Some important issues are not litmus tests. Warning: Some centrists will disagree with some of my answers. What do most Libertarian centristsbelieve?

We are 100% pro-choice, because government has no valid business running women’s lives for them.

All Americans are entitled to equality in marriage, adoption, divorce, and access to military service.

Slavery was the American Holocaust. Confederate apologists are rightly grouped with Holocaust deniers, and are shunned by all decent people.

Thomas Jefferson correctly wrote: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men’. It is only through government,limited government, that men and women will stay free.

The so-called ‘States Rights’ doctrine, claiming that states may keep African-Americans from voting and women from having abortions, is un-American. Politicians who say ‘leave it up to the states’ are an
opposite of libertarian.

While there have been conspiracies, the incoherent mutterings of conspiracy theorists, including 9/11 truthers, central banking foes, and 16th amendment deniers, offer nothing to the Libertarian political
movement. They should be politely ignored.

More important, what does Libertarian Centrism offer America? What is the clear, positive, uplifting message we send about the American future? How will Libertarian centrism advance the Libertarian political
movement?

We’ll get to that in the future.

  1. The sales pitch: “It’s everything that sucks about the current LP… but worse!”

  2. Foes of central banking should be “ignored” by a supposedly libertarian organization.

    Pathetic.

  3. […] centrism.” What are the “litmus tests” of libertarian centrism? The Libertarian Centrist Manifesto […]

  4. We are 100% pro-choice, because government has no valid business running women’s lives for them.

    That’s retarded. If George wants to support Obama style live-birth abortions, not many “moderate” libertarians are going to sign on with him. Hell, I’m a secular market-anarchist symp and even I think it’s an insane stance.

    Confederate apologists are rightly grouped with Holocaust deniers, and are shunned by all decent people.

    “Confederate apologists” = advocates of decentralism and secession. Can’t have that; it might weaken the state’s arbitrary, centralized power!

    Whoops…turns out that was the whole point in the first place.

    “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men’. It is only through government, limited government, that men and women will stay free.”

    Hahaha, that’s a good one. Tell us another one.

    “The so-called ‘States Rights’ doctrine, claiming that states may keep African-Americans from voting and women from having abortions, is un-American. Politicians who say ‘leave it up to the states’ are an
    opposite of libertarian.”

    Here he is making his best attempt to conflate the “localized statism” of Barr with genuine libertarian decentralism. “Moderate” (ie, non) libertarians all believe in one enormous, centralized, totalitarian state to rule over all of us.

    While there have been conspiracies, the incoherent mutterings of conspiracy theorists, including 9/11 truthers, central banking foes, and 16th amendment deniers, offer nothing to the Libertarian political
    movement.

    There’s his love for centralized statism (and the 16th amendment!?) again.

    So what is a “9/11 truther?” Someone who thinks Bush sent the planes, or someone who just has a few questions about 9/11? I’m not a truther myself, but can’t really seem to get myself worked up about them.

    “Moderate” libertarian (at least by this criteria) = hard-core statist

  5. Cork… Are you really me posting under a pseudonym?

    Libertarian alternative to George’s libertine statism:

    1. Libertarians disagree on what constitutes personhood. All agree that the initiation of force against persons should be illegal. All agree that Roe v. Wade has no constitutional authority and thus should be repealed.

    2. Like Jefferson said, central banks are a greater threat to liberty than standing armies. It is the central bank that makes war and tyrannical government possible, and the number-one priority of libertarian political action should be the abolition of the central bank.

    3. Libertarians recognize the right of political secession and that holding individuals within a union against their will IS slavery.

    4. The monopoly state is by definition the enemy of liberty. Attempts to “limit” government have been utter failures throughout history.

    5. We affirm the principle of political decentralism and the idea that small, competing states are superior to large, monolithic ones.

    6. We support a complete separation of marriage and state, a free-market in adoption, and abolition of government-funded standing armies.

  6. I like your alternative platform, G.E.

  7. Well, I guess the “Centrist Libertarian Manifesto” is a manifesto. As for the other two things, well, not in this universe.

  8. Items 2-6 are fine. The last sentence of #1 is indicative of someone who actually hasn’t read Roe, or Griswold, for that matter.

    Try this one:

    1. The rights of the people are superior to the powers of any government, because that power is granted by the consent of the people, and can be repealed by withdrawing that consent. As such, no power of government cannot repeal, oppress, or deny a right of the people.

    and this one:

    7. People are responsible for their own actions.

  9. “Politicians who say ‘leave it up to the states’ are an opposite of libertarian.”

    Who wrote this tripe? It seems like it was written by a northern adolescent.

    I’m not a politician, and maybe not even a libertarian anymore (given the word no longer has any meaning), but I say leave it up to the states implicitly whenever I advocate abolishing the federal government.

    Should the federal government be abolished in my lifetime (or just collapses), then I’ll be all for leaving it up to the counties and cities.

    I did get a laugh out of the line “Libertarian centrism is about real politics.”

    Here’s some “real politics” for ya. Simply declare that Obama and McCain are libertarian centrists so that in January 2009, a libertarian centrist will be in the White House. It’s a sure thing.

  10. Mike, Tom:

    Thank you for demonstrating that the litmus tests are correctly filtering out anarchists, philosophers, and conservatives.

    George

  11. “Centrist Libertarian Manifesto”

    I’m Barack Obama and I approve this message.

    Why join join me (and the Democratic Party) in my cabinet as the secretary of technology, Dr. Phillies, with the requirement that you campaign for me in NH and some other purple states, I would not need your votes in MA. You can also help me with attack ads against McCain, claiming yourself as the true Goldwater follower
    (we do have the CSPAN footage of you at Denver LNC).

    Hope and change.
    Yes, it can!
    Obama

  12. Phillies declaration of statism and untruth is a call for war against the Campaign for Liberty’s statement of four points of agreement.

    Thank you for separating out the non-libertarians and forever doing away with the idea that you are a libertarian of any sort, George.

  13. I agree with GE and Cork.

  14. I agree with G.E. on this one.

    Yes, George, it does filter out the anarchist and philosophers–from the statists, that is.

    The Confederate apologist stuff is bullshit. Slavery was not an American Holocaust, as bad as it was. Manifest Destiny was–ask the Lakota et al. Secession in 1860 was more economics than anything else. And it was perfectly legal.

    And every conspiracy theory has element sof truth to go with the speculation. I suppose you think LHO actually did act alone in 1963? Because think otherwise makes you a conspiracy theorist…

    Now, excuse me, I’m off top the store to buy more bullets and ingots.

  15. The great irony of the war for Southern Independence (1860-72) is that both sides were very wrong in many ways. The Southerners were wrong for wanting to keep slavery, as they clearly did from reading their constitution and secession motions. The Northerners were wrong for wanting to substitute a central government of unlimited power for a constitutionally limited republic. Both sides got it wrong, and both sides suffered enormous numbers of death, horrible battlefield wounds, inflation, and privation. Habeas corpus was suspended on both sides. Paper money was inflicted on both sides. Military draft was imposed on both sides. All these things were bad.

    Central banking is a bad thing. It has bad consequences for the economy, as people are beginning to see every day now.

    Sixteenth amendment deniers are beside the point. An income tax is a bad thing whether it was legitimized by an amendment to the constitution or not. Stop fighting over history and fight to repeal the income tax. It might be helpful to focus on organizing to repeal the income tax rather than fighting over whether it exists.

  16. G.E. got all waxed up and wrote: “…Thank you for separating out the non-libertarians and forever doing away with the idea that you are a libertarian of any sort, George…”

    George Phillies was working for LP causes and principles long before G.E. Smith was…G.E. just moved over from working for the Green Party and then a GOP candidate (Ron Paul) before following his idiol, Mary Ruwart, to the LP.

    Sometimes the most recent converts are the most strident. And no telling how many Greens and Paulites G.E. denounced, ridiculed and slimed.

    G.E. is not his real name, and anyone should be wary of his claims on that account alone…I mean come on dude, have the personal integrity and the spine to speak in your own name, LOL.

    I often disagree with George Phillies but I respect him.

    I have the party and movement background to understand (while respectfully disagreeing with) Phillies comments about the FED. Phillies doesn’t say anything about the FED like what G.E. attributes to Phillies.

    Finally, though G.E. uses his pen name shield to denounce all the “crooks and shills” in the LP, George Phillies was one of the leaders in the fight to oppose the party thieves.

    He’s still paying for it, as we never did expel ’em all and a new crop has sprouted in their place, like mushrooms in dung field.

    They share common ground with G.E…they denounce Phillies too.

    Just another reason to discount anything posted by G.E. “I don’t really exist because I am too damn scared to publish my slander, innuendo and lies under my real name” Smith.

    People like G.E. don’t worry me. He was a Ron Paul supporter for some months, a Green before that…soon he’ll be attracted to something else and go there to spew his nonsense.

    Phillies will still be around fighting the good fight.

  17. Let’s see, I’m not a conservative or a philosopher. That leaves anarchist. But just because I think we’d all be a hell of a lot better off with no federal government doesn’t mean I’m an anarchist. And I’m not an apologist for the Confederacy, despite living in its old Capitol City. Jefferson Davis was just as big an asshole as Lincoln.

    However, the ugly truth is there for anyone with enough sense to see it for what it is, and that ugly truth is that we are now living in a declining imperial empire run by criminals clutching to their waning relevancy. They have transformed this empire into a police state/surveillance state on the brink of economic collapse.

    You can tweak the “libertarian” message any way you want to and you can call yourself anything you want to, but you can’t beat the powers that be by trying to play the game with THEIR rules (rules designed to keep them in power). The corporate fascists that run the game and their bought and paid for political and media shills aren’t going to roll over and let any outsiders have a voice. What happened in Denver and St. Paul indicates that we are no longer even allowed to protest.

    Hell, George, four years ago two presidential candidates, Badnarik and Cobb, were busted for showing up at an official Republicrat debate. Just for showing up! The media was silent. So were most libertarians.

    The Dems were elected to take over Congress two years ago to restore civil liberties and end the war – they told the American people to fuck off and ignored their wishes.

    We have just witnessed the largest nationalization of business in the history of the world largely to keep foreign lenders from cutting off the empire’s line of credit that keeps the welfare/warfare ship afloat.

    Meanwhile, this “free” country has the biggest prison population and the largest incarceration rate in the world.

    So, welcome to Amerika. A dead republic with a dead constitution and a criminal government. I guess the only thing we can do is moderate our voices so we don’t alienate middle-aged, middle-class, middle-of-the-road white folks who don’t have a fucking clue where they are living.

    I ain’t buying that bull shit. It’s time to fight back with boycotts, strikes, civil disobedience, and above all, correctly identifying the current situation as it actually exists – very ugly.

  18. Dr. Phillies,

    Since you are so eager to brand anyone supporting political decentralization as a segregationist, I assume that you side with the federal government on issues where they disagree with the states. In this case, does than mean that you believe medical cannabis should be illegal, since the federal government is superior to the several states that have legalized it? Do you also believe that adults younger than 21 should be prohibited form drinking alcohol, since the federal government is superior to the states that wish to lower the drinking age? Do you also believe that Americans must have a national identification card, since the federal government is superior to the umpteen states that have nullified part of REAL-ID? To use an outdated historical example as you do, do you also believe that blacks should count as 3/5ths of a person, since the federal government was superior to the Southern states that wanted blacks to count as full persons? I will assume that all of the above is true, since you are so eager to brand anyone who disagrees with you a segregationist, I shall brand you a prohibitionist, nationalist, and racist until you either reject political centralism or retract any characterization of us decentralists as segregationists.

    Hugh

  19. This is fantastic. All the extremist doctrinaires who rage against common sense are also raging against LFA. That means it has a good chance of operating as a mainstream libertarian lobby unencumbered by uterus-federalizers and gold-buggers.

  20. The great irony of the war for Southern Independence (1860-72) is that both sides were very wrong in many ways.

    In any war between/among governments, both/all sides are always ‘very wrong in many ways’.

  21. Hugh,

    I think the state and Federal laws against medical uses of pot should both be repealed.

    That’s not the end, but it’s a beginning.

    Except in D.C., where Uncle Sam plays the role of state government, there are no Federal laws controlling the age at which young people can drink. Ditto, no Federal laws about motorcycle helmets, and NH does not mandate them except for those under 18 or so.

    George

  22. RE: helmet laws and drinking laws: Except for the federal purse strings, George, which is the perfect example for decentralization. That, and it gets it closer to the people so they can see the outrageousness up close and personal.

    But I agree on the medical pot laws. In fact, a CA federal judge, in a rare display of support for the 10th Amendment, does too, in the Santa Cruz case ruling the other day.

  23. Decentralization simply proves the systemic flaw in the as-misapplied federalist system: federal laws only trump state laws in areas where there is a legitimate, consitiutionally-defined federal interest. But most federal interests are not legitimate, just convoluted and illegitimate, yet they get vindicated by the courts of that same government.

    Hence “interstate” equates to “intra-state” and “public use” equates to “public purpose”, and there is federal blackmail on highway dollars tied to speed limits, seat belts, and the drinking age, to name a few.

    All that simply shows the need to get back to a consitiutionally-limited federal government, and returning most power to the states and lower via decentralization, where it can be more effectively dealt with.

  24. Dr. Phillies,

    You avoided the question. I asked whether you support the federal government or the states in the fight over whether the states have the right to decriminalize cannabis. Also, why were you completely silent about REAL-ID?

    Brian Miller,

    The problem with it acting as a mainstream libertarian lobby is that a) As the convention showed, only about 5% of the LP agrees with this, and b) As I and others have shown, this wouldn’t be libertarian. I find it odd that a supposed libetarian such as yourself would attack people that believe that fiat currency is fraudulent, especially when that is the accepted libertarian position.

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