Steve G.

DEA and Blackwater raid and destroy medical marijuana dispensary

In Libertarian on August 2, 2008 at 12:30 pm

When will the feds get it through their heads that it is legal to use marijuana medicinally in California?

Note the first photo below, which clearly shows that Blackwater also had a hand in the raid, and that their employees were heavily armed.  This is a disturbing element in and of itself, because mercenaries are not held to the same standards as regular law enforcement.

This raid came on the same day that a judge in San Diego ruled that federal law does not preempt state medical marijuana laws.  Were the feds waiting for that decision, so they could immediately show that they will still do whatever they want to do?

This would be an excellent time for Bob Barr to speak up.  Perhaps this would be taken more seriously if someone long known as a “drug warrior” thoroughly condemned the action.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Federal agents raided a Culver City medical marijuana dispensary where they spent more than four hours this afternoon, serving a search warrant that resulted in no arrests but left the shop in disarray.

Drug Enforcement Administration agents arrived about noon at Organica Collective in the 13400 block of Washington Boulevard, said Sarah Pullen, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles office of the agency.

“Marijuana remains a controlled substance, and it is illegal under federal law to possess, dispense or cultivate marijuana in any form,” Pullen said of the purpose of the raid.

The federal operation came on the same day an appellate court in San Diego ruled that federal law does not preempt the state’s law allowing the use of medical marijuana — a ruling touted by supporters of California’s medical marijuana law as a significant win.

At the dispensary agents left behind trash, counters strewn with open and empty glass jars, piles of receipts thrown on the ground, upturned couch cushions, bits of marijuana on the edges of counters and an ATM with its doors torn open and emptied.

In the residents’ rooms a safe was cut open, dresser drawers pulled open, and rumpled clothes and knickknacks thrown on the ground. An outdoor vegetable garden had plants uprooted, along with marijuana plants removed by the agents.

Brian V. Birbiglia, 35, sat handcuffed next to DEA agents on a tattered couch outside the dispensary for more than four hours during the raid. Next to the couch sat a box marked “DEA evidence,” about a dozen black trash bags and two Trader Joe’s paper bags. Some agents wore protective chest gear, black sunglasses and guns in leg holsters.

After the raid was over and he was released, Birbiglia was visibly enraged. An employee and friend of the dispensary’s owner, Jeff Joseph, Birbiglia said he is a disabled former Marine who has a prescription to smoke marijuana for a foot injury.

“We follow the law,” he yelled, his face red and his eyes teary. “We might as well have just got robbed by a bunch of thugs downtown.”

Birbiglia found a remaining bud of marijuana that agents had missed, and he popped it into a pipe to smoke.

“They forgot this, and I’m going to smoke it,” he said.

Los Angeles Councilman Bill Rosendahl was called to the scene by the owner and arrived several hours after the raid began. Rosendahl, standing outside the gate to the store’s parking lot, said he was frustrated that there was nothing he could do to intervene. The dispensary straddles the boundary between Los Angeles and Culver City, Rosendahl said. Culver City police assisted federal agents at the scene.

“This is an action with the federal government, which is sad,” Rosendahl said, “because these laws need to be revisited in Washington, especially the medical marijuana law. We’re incarcerating people by the tens of thousands, we’re destroying peoples’ lives, and people who have a medical marijuana legitimacy are caught in the middle. It’s a problem we need to resolve. This conflict is totally unacceptable.”

Clyde Carey, 50, of Marina del Rey was at the store Friday visiting a friend when agents burst in through the locked front door, he said.

“We heard some noise outside, and then the door literally burst in, and the DEA came in in full combat gear, told everybody to get on the floor and put their hands behind their heads,” Carey said. “It was like, literally, an episode of “24,” when they bust in on a terrorist cell.”

Carey, who said he has multiple sclerosis and has been a dispensary customer since February, stood across the street near a Starbucks with about half a dozen people who had witnessed the raid, watching agents walk in and out.

He said DEA agents searched and cuffed the roughly 25 people inside the building, which also includes four upstairs rooms. Then agents started searching the premises, removing computers, medicine and money, and using a steel cylinder battering ram to get into the upstairs bedrooms, Carey said.

Joseph, the owner, said he was at the bank when an employee called to warn him of the raid.

“I’m a fugitive at the moment,” he said. Joseph said he had been speaking with his attorney but would not comment on the amount of marijuana lost. “It’s going to be very expensive,” he said, adding that he had “paid my taxes, every quarter since last year; I’ve paid my taxes.”

The search warrant signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Victor B. Kenton authorized the seizure of “controlled substances, including marijuana; derivatives thereof, and edible products containing marijuana . . . receipts, notes, ledgers, records . . . reflecting the proceeds of those activities . . . electronic equipment . . . photographs, negatives, videotapes, films, addresses and/or telephone books . . . records, documents, programs, applications. . . .”

On a Web forum for medical marijuana users, news of the raid was posted shortly after 1 p.m. with a call for protesters to “please go down with signs and friends to show your support!”

The dispensary’s MySpace page says it offers “the best of Los Angeles’ medical cannabis, as well as several different types of clones. New patients receive a free gift with their first purchase! We are open from 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. every day, with free secure parking and friendly vibes!”

In addition, the section titled “Who I’d like to meet” solicits people without a “medical recommendation card” for marijuana.

“Suffer from migraines, cancer, glaucoma, depression, arthritis, nausea, anorexia, AIDS, insomnia, chronic pain or any other disorders?” the website says. “Medicinal marijuana might be for you! Come meet with our doctor and see if you qualify.”

Many thanks to Steve Kubby for bringing this article to LFV’s attention!

  1. Christ on a 1984 cracker….

    Was there only objective here to rough everybody up and destroy the shop, or will they start arresting patients listed?

    I just…don’t have much to say.

  2. I work in the security industry. With that being said, fuck blackwater…

    Medical Marijuana is legal in California, thus, the Feds need to stay the fuck out. Period.

  3. This “raid” raises some interesting questions…

    We have the law to prevent violent conflict, and it doesn’t appear to be doing that, now does it? “John Bad Elk Vs. The USA”(1900) is a case that established a precedent for shooting law enforcement officers who violate your rights on your property. John Bad Elk was vindicated for shooting a couple of BIA thugs, when they tried to unlawfully kidnap him from his own property, without arresting him.

    All federal agents there should have been shot the second they set foot on that property.

    Of course, until government agents start getting shot while violating our rights, they will happily violate their own laws, the US Constitution, and simple human decency. They don’t care about justice one bit, and are prepared for violence.

    …Are you?

    …Should you be?

  4. The photo of an agent wearing a BLACKWATER T-shirt proves nothing. He could be a DEA agent who got a free shirt and wanted to show it off.

    However, the fact that the LA Times removed the BLACKWATER photo, several hours after it was posted, is deeply disturbing, to say the least.

    We can only wonder what was said and by whom, to get the LA Times to censor its own picture.

  5. Medical Marijuana is legal in California, thus, the Feds need to stay the fuck out.

    Doesn’t work that way.

    It will never work that way.

    This whole debacle underscores why the “states’ rights” crap doesn’t work. Not only does it lack basis in the constitution, but it also lacks basis in power politics.

  6. Hi, Steve! Thanks again for bringing this to our attention. 🙂

    During any official operation (non-undercover, of course), federal agents are required to wear clothing which clearly identifies their agency. This is for their protection, as well as the protection of others. So I really don’t think it was a DEA Agent who just happened to have a Blackwater t-shirt. I feel very sure that it was a Blackwater mercenary.

    Personally, I am outraged that the federal government is using mercenaries against its own citizens. The only reason to use mercenaries is that mercenaries are not held to the same standards as actual law enforcement. As a criminologist, this scares the hell out of me.

    That being said, I’m glad I accessed and downloaded the photo as soon as I got the link from you (sorry it took me so long to post it, I had a family obligation yesterday so I had to rush off) because I did indeed notice that it was gone today. In fact, I looked for it repeatedly, referred back to your email multiple times to make sure I was looking in the right place, and looked at every single photo related to that raid, including related news stories in the Times. The photo is definitely gone.

    Luckily I remembered that I had already downloaded that particular photo yesterday to my computer, or else it would be gone forever.

  7. Has this issue ever been fought in federal court on 10th Amendment grounds? The state law’s supremacy seems pretty cut and dried to me…

  8. Peter is correct and Brian is mistaken. The 10th Amendment does place everything not specifically delegated to the national government in the hands of the several states. It is not properly a “states rights” issue, but a states powers issue.

    Now that a federal court has so ruled, it should proceed up the chain of command until the Supremes rule on it. Which would prove nothing, but might be as good as Heller vs. DC.

    Freedom_Jury is also correct, about what should happen, and what is right about it. I note that the Branch Davidian survivors were fully vindicated on this point. And convicted anyway on a BS weapons charge and sentenced excessively.

    But, as a practical matter, one would have to envision .50 caliber machine guns and anti-aircraft weapons on the roofs, in sandbagged emplacements. Such armament is quite common in Mogadishu, and to this day the merchants there strongly resist census takers and tax collectors, to good effect. The Ethiopian army, as proxy for the USA government, would like to change this aspect of the culture, but it is deeply embedded, and has been since 1990 or so.

    What I’m saying is, an armed society is a polite society, and Californians are not yet well enough armed.

  9. Has anyone forwarded this to the folks at L.E.A.P. for their opinion and comments?

    Might be interestinhg to see what they think.

    MHW

  10. I don’t like them. I don’t mind that they are against prohibition, which is a fine way to be. But they are law enforcement. And most of the laws they enforce are about the same stuff – what someone can own, sell, say, or do in a consensual relationship with someone else. I should like to see far fewer law enforcement persons. And I’d just as soon not read what they wish to write.

  11. During any official operation (non-undercover, of course), federal agents are required to wear clothing which clearly identifies their agency. This is for their protection, as well as the protection of others. So I really don’t think it was a DEA Agent who just happened to have a Blackwater t-shirt. I feel very sure that it was a Blackwater mercenary.

    Of course it was a BLACKWATER Agent. But, even if you tried to argue it wasn’t, the fact that the photo was censored, after it was published, is even more disturbing. Did some high ranking government official call the Times and tell them that removing the BLACKWATER Agent’s photo was a matter of national security?

    Since the Times blatantly exposed the damage done by the Smash and Grab tactics of the DEA, it is that much harder to image why the Times pulled the one picture, showing part of BLACKWATER, on his T-shirt.

    A Times reporter/friend is looking into the matter.

  12. […] Srry for the turbo… Here and here are a couple of links showing the original pic and maybe some discussion. Not sure if the images […]

  13. Jim Davidson did you drink the group think Kool-Aid? I doubt that everyone in LEAP thinks the same.

    Regardless I would suggest we get other opinions about this. Maybe from the ACLU.

    Anyone have a problem if I pass this on to another list?

    Thanks,
    MHW

  14. I doubt that anyone in LEAP thinks. Look at their name, Michael. Law Enforcement first, and against prohibition second. That tells me everything I need to know about them. As long as they are willing to associate their names with law enforcement, they are evil scum. They might be slightly less evil than law enforcement who are not against prohibition, but so what?

    Being a part of the law enforcement community is a choice each of them has taken. They have chosen to be against individual liberty, private property, and the sovereignty of free people everywhere. They have chosen to take stolen funds in their pay with every paycheck. That makes them evil.

    You can cavil and split hairs and justify and equivocate all you want. As Shakespeare said, you can go on equivocating to the gates of perdition. I don’t care.

    Law enforcement is brutality. Law enforcement is kicking a human face forever. Law enforcement is wrong to the exact extent that the laws are wrong, and the laws are very wrong.

    If the history of the world has taught us anything it is that standing armies go to war, standing courts send police into the streets to make people criminals, and standing armies of police are the occupying force of tyrants.

    A free people do not need police and sheriffs and DEA and FBI to protect us. Free people protect themselves. The vanishingly small number of people willing to commit a violent crime, by the FBI’s inflated estimate something like 1.8% of the population, are best addressed directly by their would-be victims at the time they try to victimise them, with deadly force applied by the intended victim right then.

    I say no to law enforcement, even when they pretend to be on my side. I spit in the faces of the jack booted thugs. They had a choice in careers, and every day each one of them has a choice to leave their job and do something ethical for a living. They deserve no pity, no sympathy, nothing but contempt.

  15. By all means, Michael, feel free to pass this along anywhere you feel it is appropriate.

  16. Jim, under your opinion, how would the defense of property of life take place? Who arrests for murder? Who punishes violation of property rights?

    I’m not being critical, I’m just lost on your views here.

  17. Mike, I won’t venture to speak for Jim, and hope he would correct me if I’m wrong, but I suspect that he would be very happy with the models proposed by L. Neil Smith in most of his books – particularly the “Broach-world” series titles, but not so much the “Henry Martyn” series.

    In essence LNS says there are two defense strategies – The first Jim mentioned, appropriate application of lethal force by the victim or an associate at the time and place of the attempted crime… No further action needed (other than cleaning up the mess), although some of the mechanisms of the second strategy might kick in to ensure that it was an appropriate self defense use of force…

    The second strategy is the private, free market, competeting for service provision, “Protective Service” companies and associated “Arbitration Associations” – They investigate cases where the bad guy got away to attempt identification of the perp, ensure that successful self defense cases were appropriate, and bring CIVIL actions against wrongdoers to get them to make reparations to the victims (NOT society)…

    Enforcement would be by social pressure / ostracism of those that don’t pay up on their debts…

    However I suspect that Darwin would rapidly lead to a great reduction in criminal behavior (especially since there would have to be an identifiable, non-consenting victim in order for the behavior to be criminal…

    ART

  18. So a thing like blackwater going ahead and defending everyone?

  19. Mike Theodore: So a thing like blackwater going ahead and defending everyone?

    Not everyone, just those that had hired them… You might, but your neighboors could have hired Brinks, or “Joe’s Rent-a-guard”, etc… Each would be competing on the basic free-market principle of “How may I help you?” – and would NOT be engaging in actions like this one, as no victim is involved, and the Dispensary’s own protection company would be there to defend it against that sort of aggression… However there would be no profit in services fighting each other – If there had been some sort of victim, the process would be more on the order of handing them a court summons that names the victim and charges…

    ART

  20. Mike, the individual has to be responsible for defending his own stuff, and his own life. What makes you think the pigs are defending you? They aren’t. They are authorised to do so, but they are also authorised to stand still and watch you get raped in the park. There are actual court cases to this effect.

    Who arrests for murder? Why, the victim’s family and friends. Who punishes for violation of property rights? No one.

    No one should punish anyone. Punishing is a stupid Puritanical idiocy which I am particularly unhappy about. Punishment doesn’t do any good. It only does harm, and shows very little remediation.

    Property rights violations should be compensated. The negligent party or the criminal who did harm should be made to pay compensation. Once the victim is fully compensated, the crime is gone, wiped away, as if it never happened.

    Do you read the Bible Mike? There was a thing called the rule of judges. Kritarchy. You might want to read the comparison to the rule of kings. Kings were not favored by God.

    The idea of kritarchy is used in traditional Somali culture. Somali culture has a lot wrong with it, but it has four things I like very well. There is no standing army, only a militia – the armed men of the community. There is no standing court, but there are ad hoc courts that come into existence when there is a case to be adjudicated. The judicial system is compensatory, with a free market for judges. Finally, the law of the Somalis doubles the compensation due from judges to victims if the judge commits a crime.

    A standing court is a bad, bad thing, Mike. The court is there every day of the week. And the judge has to be fed. And so does his bailiff, and his clerks. These are parasites feeding on the community, so they hire evil henchmen, called police, or pigs, or the fuzz, or by other names. These vicious scum go out in the community and “write tickets” for things that are not properly crimes.

    Someone didn’t feed the parking meter. Someone drove 25 mph in a 20 mph zone. Someone ran a stop sign. Nobody was hurt in any of these cases, so there is no crime, there is no victim. But, the pigs get paid, the clerks get paid, and the judge gets paid, by making up these crimes. Not enough? Then make up some more crimes, by crikey! Jaywalking, prostitution, gambling, serving alcohol without a license, serving alcohol to minors, possession of marijuana, it goes on and on. A standing court is a parasite, and its agents and servitors are parasites. You didn’t think these laws were meaningful or valuable did you?

    When 500 infantry led a tank brigade from Ethiopia into Awdal province in 1995, the elders called up the militia. Every family that owned a pickup truck put a .50 cal. machine gun in the back, or an anti-aircraft gun, and went to war. Every man went to his garage or closet and got his rifle, his ammo, and his other gear, and went to war. In three days they had 3,000 men in the field, and in two weeks they defeated the Ethiopians.

    In 1992, a bunch of USA Marines showed up in Mogadishu, ostensibly to bring food aid. It turns out that there was a bountiful crop in the field, and in April 1993 the Marine corps commandant ordered his men home.

    In May, with the full support of his clan’s elders, Mohammed Farah Aideed sent his clan’s militia to defend their armory and radio station. Pakistani troops operating under UN mandate went there to seize the weapons and close the radio station for broadcasting “anti-UN propaganda” or what we in America call free speech. The Pakistanis were all killed.

    So, Clinton sent “Task Force Ranger” including 500 Army Rangers and 100+ Delta Force operators to Mogadishu. Aideed continued to have the full support of his clan when Clinton had the elders wiped out in June in a botched raid. USA military helicopters exterminated about 120 men, women, and children who were meeting to call an end to the conflict and appoint representatives to sue for peace. All the voices for peace were killed. The hunt for Aideed was on, and the military expended lives and fortunes all through 1993 to catch him – read the book Black Hawk Down for details, but don’t watch the film.

    But, in 1996, as I recall it, Aideed was flown to Nairobi to meet with USA diplomats, and came back and declared himself president of all of Somalia. He claimed that he would be setting up a new government. The elders of his clan – replacements for those killed in 1993, met to decide how to respond. They decided that Aideed had over-stepped his authority as war leader for the clan. So, they asked him to step down so a new war leader could be appointed. He refused. So they had him killed, by his own bodyguard. The man the USA couldn’t catch had betrayed his own clan. And his clan could catch him.

    This story follows the line of a traditional Somali proverb about why they don’t have a king. They tried it, they didn’t like having a king, so the elders met and had him killed.

    > I’m not being critical, I’m just lost on your
    > views here.

    Sure you are. Criticism is fine. How else can we find our way closer to the truth?

    You are lost on my view because you have lived in a state all your life. You have been told how to think, and what to do, by the state, your whole life. To know that there are other ways is not to see them in action. Travel is a magical thing – it shows you that humans live in many ways, with many traditions, and the way you grew up with may not be the only, nor best, way.

    I’ve traveled in Somalia, other parts of Africa, Asia, Europe, and Central America. It changes a man.

    Travel also reveals that other men and women love their children. Other people hate their government. Other people fear tyranny and seek freedom. Other people seek understanding, knowledge, and enlightenment. Most people, most of the time, want to be left alone to live their lives, learn from each other, and engage in trade and commerce, in my experience of those I’ve met and dealt with and seen.

    A standing army is a mistake. A militia can be extremely effective. A standing court system is a mistake. An ad hoc system can be very effective, and costs much, much less. It is a mistaken idea to put the military in a position over the population to run, and ruin, their lives. It is also a mistaken idea to put judges above the rest of the population. Or anyone.

  21. Jim,
    One problem. Not only have I been a creature of the state all my life, so has the majority of America. Getting millions of Americans to switch to this way of thinking is pretty much impossible.

  22. One of these days the local cops and sheriffs should grow some parts and arrest the DEA thugs for violating 18 USC 242 as applied to California Law and throw the DEA thugs in the clink.

    However, Jim, your opinion of LEAP is vastly in error and I fear your personal animus is overriding your understanding of that organization. I suggest you have a long talk with Tony Ryan.

  23. Mike T, my freedom does not depend on millions of Americans agreeing with me. And, it was impossible to go to the Moon when I was born. I was six when men orbited the Moon and seven when they landed on it. Don’t tell me what’s possible, as I believe you’ve no meaningful idea.

    You can say that most Americans won’t accept change, but you have not met most Americans. Your ideas about what most Americans think are entirely based on what you are told by the mainstream (lamestream) media, who want to limit your choices, and mine. You might be right, but so what?

    In order to establish change, you have to change the culture. Telling me that you don’t understand how my views would work caused me to give an exposition on how they do work in other cultures. Now you say they are impossible to implement because you live in a country full of narrow minded provincialists who don’t want to change. But, my obligation ends here. I don’t have to fix your country to be free.

    Mr. Seebeck, I don’t want to talk to pigs. I have no desire to have a long talk with Tony Ryan. Yes, I do have a personal animus against filthy stinking pigs. I hate them, all of them, and will always hate them. They have chosen to be pigs, and that disgusts me. I have no use for concentration camp guards, either. I have no use for those who engage in torture for a living.

    Those who are the enemies of freedom don’t convince me that they are my friends by adopting the language of liberators. Their other choices expose them as slavers. To hell with them.

  24. “Mike T, my freedom does not depend on millions of Americans agreeing with me. And, it was impossible to go to the Moon when I was born. I was six when men orbited the Moon and seven when they landed on it. Don’t tell me what’s possible, as I believe you’ve no meaningful idea.

    You can say that most Americans won’t accept change, but you have not met most Americans. Your ideas about what most Americans think are entirely based on what you are told by the mainstream (lamestream) media, who want to limit your choices, and mine. You might be right, but so what?

    In order to establish change, you have to change the culture. Telling me that you don’t understand how my views would work caused me to give an exposition on how they do work in other cultures. Now you say they are impossible to implement because you live in a country full of narrow minded provincialists who don’t want to change. But, my obligation ends here. I don’t have to fix your country to be free.”

    Cheers.

  25. FYI, Jim, Tony is highly respected in the LP and has served on the Denver PD for decades. He is nothing resembling a “pig”, and your broadbrush painting just undermines your credibility. The same can be said for another highly respected elected LP member, Sheriff Bill Masters. Not all Police Officers are bad, and to claim otherwise is highly disrepectful and a bad position to be in. And I come from a family of cops, including two went from patrolman to chief over their careers, so I see the good and the bad very closely. Take it on a case-by-case basis and you’ll be surprised at what you’ll find.

    If you want to continue that undirected hate, fine, but I don’t think anyone here needs it. We know better.

  26. The DEA is claiming that the agent was a DEA agent and not employed by Blackwater.

  27. Tony is not respected by me. He has chosen to work for the government enforcing their laws, therefore he is a bad person. Every paycheck he gets has stolen money in it, money stolen from taxpayers against their will. He enforces laws that he knows are wrong, and that makes him evil. It is evil to do what you know is wrong. There is nothing about him that I respect. I spit on him and what he does for a living.

    Sheriff Bill Masters is also working for the government to enforce their laws, making him a bad person. He has chosen to take stolen money in his pay. He enforces laws that he knows are evil.

    All police officers are bad, and to claim otherwise is to be a sycophant for evil. You, Michael Seebeck, are a sycophant for evil.

    Yes, I am highly disrespectful of the police. I spit on them and everything they do. I spit on your family members who are pigs. I spit on you for supporting them in the evil they wreak on Americans. I do not respect your idea of law and disorder imposed by bashing the heads of men and women like me with police batons. I do not respect those who would steal my pay, deny my freedom, and buy bullets to brutalise my neighbors with money they seize from me when I am traveling in their “jurisdiction.” To hell with the pigs, and to hell with you.

    I won’t take it on a case by case basis. The choice you take in what to do for a living tells me everything I need to know about you. If you work for the police, you are a pig, and you have chosen a career of evil.

    It is not like these are men and women who are unable to do something about their condition. It isn’t their skin color or sexuality or religious heritage or ethnicity, it is their choice in how to make a living. Pigs make a living by beating up hippies, taking our stuff, and raking off a percentage.

    My disrespect extends to believing that if every police officer in this country, including those police chiefs you mention in your family, were eviscerated by an unruly mob and strung up by their intestines on lampposts, I would shed no tears and say nothing against it. Your family is a brutal bunch of liars, cheats, thieves, batterers, and killers, in my opinion, and I defy you to prove otherwise. Your family is a boot kicking a human face forever.

    > I don’t think anyone here needs it. We know better.

    I am here, and I revel in it. I don’t know who you have in the pronoun “we” with yourself, but if they are just like you, sycophants for evil, they can lick the boots kicking them in the face if they please. But I shall not.

  28. I’m a biker among other things, and before I got active in LP political stuff, I was active in the “bikers rights” movement. In a lot of ways I still am, just my picture of rights has gotten larger…

    Most State Motorcyclist Rights Organization (SMRO) memberships tend to be disproportionately made up of Harley riders; a fact that the SMRO leaders tend to regret, if only because of the potential membership base that isn’t being tapped.

    Many years ago, one of our leaders pointed out that there is a lot of anti-Jap bike sentiment expressed by Harley riders – often on shirts with things like a picture of a hand grenade labeled “Japanese MC repair kit” for instance.

    It was pointed out that rider of Japanese motorcycles likely found this sort of shirt, and other rude remarks, Japanese bike bash parties, etc. offensive.

    And especially when the leadership of an SMRO put on such events or participated in them, it sent a negative message, so that when we tried doing outreach to Japanese riders the total message sent boiled down to:

    Hi, we think you are a useless piece of $#!T, want to join our club?

    It was pointed out that this isn’t the world’s most effective form of outreach…

    Some readers may see an analogy in the preceding posts – others probably won’t get the point😦

    ART

  29. Sure Art, I used to ride a Kawasaki POS, and didn’t have any interest in the statist motorcyclists. I understand what you are saying about rewarding for A while seeking B.

    Happily, I am not interested in having pigs in my political home. I’m not interested in pigs for “odd bedfellows” as some say politics makes, either.

    You can suppose that it isn’t effective outreach, and it is not. But, your friends in the statist motorcycle associations were not reaching out. They had their opinions, and they were not going to start liking Japanese cycles, nor, probably, American Ironhorse cycles, either. And, as such, they were comfortable with the limitations of their previous choices.

    I am exceedingly comfortable with not reaching out to scum, villainy, evil, and cretinous filth. If you work for government, in any capacity, I suspect you of wrongdoing. If, in addition to merely taking taxpayer, i.e., stolen, money in your pay, you also enforce the laws of a tyrannical system, then I hate you. I hate everything about pigs. I hate everything about the laws they enforce, the disorder they impose, the violence, the brutality they believe they are entitled to use, which they deny to anyone who doesn’t share their badge.

    Yet, when you get right down to it, they are just idiotic hypocrites. There is nothing about the badge that exonerates them. There is nothing about killing a twelve year old kid by blowing his back open with a shotgun while he is running away that is okay when done by a cop and not okay when done by a drug dealer. I say it is not okay in either case. It may be justifiable when a homeowner does it protecting his property, but justifiable or not, it remains homicide.

    When a cop speaks, I think him a liar. When a cop testifies, I think him a perjurer. When a cop picks up a baton, he is an assailant. When he picks up a gun he is a murderer. When he testi-lies to defend the others in his gang, he is a judicial murderer – he kills justice for a living.

    These are human beings who have put on the jack boots of tyranny and who stomp a human face, forever. What exactly is it that you see in such despicable, ugly, filthy, brutal, evil thugs that makes you wish to reach out to them?

    If you see my hand reaching out to a pig, it is to slap it down, not lift it up.

  30. […] recent raid on a California medical marijuana dispensary.  LFV readers will recall that we also covered the raid, complete with photos and pointed out that one of the heavily armed people involved in the raid was wearing a Blackwater […]

  31. […] by the FBI for having automatic weapons. Oh, and blackwater is also being used in police efforts: DEA and Blackwater raid and destroy medical marijuana dispensary Last Free Voice Still, blackwater was just one. There are many, many others. And they all get their employees […]

  32. lol some one run out of weed ………….
    like pigs they go for the easy one
    this losers should go to china russia or colombia to tangle with losers like them….
    lol ….. dont pee in your pants yet

  33. DEA=cowards and thugs.

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