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Steve Newton warns libertarians about “Freedom Slate ’08”

In Libertarian, Libertarian Party-US, Politics, Republican on June 26, 2008 at 11:13 pm

From Steve Newton’s blog, Delaware Libertarian:

It was wrong when Bob Barr, as a sitting member of the Libertarian National Committee, headed a PAC that donated thousands of dollars to Republican candidates who had active Libertarian opponents.

And if you unknowingly donate to Freedom Slate ’08, you will be doing the same thing.

Eight of the Republican candidates who will receive money from donations to Freedom Slate ’08 have ballot-qualified Libertarian opponents.

Here are the Libertarians you will be sending money to the GOP to oppose:

Lorenzo Gaztanaga, 2nd Congressional District, Maryland
Thibeaux Lincecum, 4th Congressional District, Maryland
Darlene Nicholas, 5th Congressional District, Maryland
Ronald Owens-Bey, 7th Congressional District, Maryland
Jim Duensing, 1st Congressional District, Nevada
Sean Patrick Moore, 2nd Congressional District, Nevada
Joseph P. Silvestri, 3rd Congressional District, Nevada
Edward Choate, 3rd Congressional District, Tennessee
[These names compiled from the list of ballot-qualified candidates reported in DC Political Report.]

About many of these candidates I know nothing, other than that they are fellow Libertarians who have taken the time and trouble to file for election.

Click here to read the rest of the Delaware Libertarian article by Steve Newton.

Steve also has another very enlightening article explaining more about Freedom Slate ’08, and why he will not donate to them.

  1. Thank you for reporting on this. I wasn’t aware that so many of these were running against Libertarians. I will remove their banners from my sites and focus on supporting specific candidates to avoid this in the future.

    Also, if I am not mistaken, the Michigan LP is running a full slate of candidates for Congress, which would mean that Linda Goldthorpe could be running against an LP candidate if she wins her August primary.

  2. Eight of the Republican candidates who will receive money from donations to Freedom Slate ‘08 have ballot-qualified Libertarian opponents.

    And none of those 8 are members of the LP, sit on the LNC or are the LP’s prez candidate.

    Pull your head out of your ass Newton.

  3. Actually, yes, they are members of the LP.

  4. There is a difference between donating to a Paulite Republican and donating to the neocon congressmen that Barr donated to.

  5. Actually, yes, they are members of the LP.

    Which ones?

  6. Miscommunication.

    You meant Freedom Slate members.

    I meant LP candidates they are running against.

  7. “There is a difference between donating to a Paulite Republican and donating to the neocon congressmen that Barr donated to.”

    Really? How many of you have visited the websites and looked at their issue positions in detail? Several have immigration positions on par with the ones Barr issued that everyone is slamming. Few take any position on the war on drugs. Several are anti-abortion rights and want to use the power of the state to enforce their particular preferences. Their tax positions run the gamut from clones of Ron Paul to plans that only a conservative could love.

    I suggest that people interested in actually knowing something about the candidates go the Thibidaux Lincecum’s website whose URL I cited in my article and decide for yourself whether he or the Freedom Slate GOPer is more truly a Libertarian.

    Please notice that I said it was a legitimate strategy to decide to contribute to the individual rather than the party, just that it’s not my strategy.

    What offends me about the misinformation about Freedom Slate ’08 is that none of the people pushing it were willing to tell you that those other Libertarian candidates existed or could be hurt by your contributing to their opponents.

    As for disinter’s ridiculous comment that they are not members of the LP or the LNC, please go check the LP of MD website where you will find them actively promoting four of the eight candidates I mentioned.

    Maybe there are candidates among those Libertarians you don’t want to support–there were a couple I had questions about.

    My difference with disinter is a legitimate difference of opinion: I see a future for a Libertarian political party and he doesn’t want one, Fair enough. And it’s certainly his right to support whomever he wants. But when he posts after my suggestion that you donate to Libertarian candidates with a post suggesting the equivalent would be to send money to a group of primarily Republicans, then his answer is fair game.

    (Squish. Squish. That’s the sound of my ears rubbing as I pull my head out. Funny, disinter, when I do, your argument still stinks.)

  8. As for disinter’s ridiculous comment that they are not members of the LP or the LNC, please go check the LP of MD website where you will find them actively promoting four of the eight candidates I mentioned.

    Umm, moron, the Ron Paul Republican candidates are not members of the LNC or running as the LP’s prez candidate. Barf was on the LNC and is the LP’s prez candidate.

    Your retarded attempt to compare Republicans running against Libertarians with so-called “libertarians” monetarily supporting Repug opponents of LP candidates is absurd.

  9. My difference with disinter is a legitimate difference of opinion: I see a future for a Libertarian political party and he doesn’t want one, Fair enough.

    You always pull retarded conclusions out of your ass? I want a future for a LIBERTARIAN party, not another Repug party.

  10. Squish. Squish. That’s the sound of my ears rubbing as I pull my head out. Funny, disinter, when I do, your argument still stinks.

    Try wiping Barf’s shit off your nose then get back with me.

  11. “You always pull retarded conclusions out of your ass? I want a future for a LIBERTARIAN party, not another Repug party.”

    With your wit, I can’t think why it was your mother had to hang a pork chop around your neck to get the other children to play with you. Inexplicable.

    You argue that the way to create a Libertarian Party is to contribute to Republicans, and my arguments are moronic?

    Here’s what would actually make people pay attention to your impassioned opinions: do some research before you advise people to spend their money. That way, both you and they will know what they are contributing to.

    And yes, if Libertarians knowingly contribute to a mass donation that they know is funding GOPers against other Libertarians without even checking the sites of the competing candidates, then they are doing the moral equivalent of Barr’s betrayal of Allen Buckley and others.

  12. You argue that the way to create a Libertarian Party is to contribute to Republicans, and my arguments are moronic?

    You always pull retarded conclusions out of your ass?

    When did I make that argument?

  13. Steve: Barr personally contributed to Allen Buckley. With the PAC in his name there are other people involved and since the money came from Republican donors, they have to go to Republicans. Allen Buckley is also one of the Ron Paul Libertarians and part of FreedomSlate08, to whom you suggest not donating. Very interesting.
    Oic, only Libertarians understand anything about liberty, libertarian Republicans and libertarian Democrats not….seems like you do not want to know anything about coalition-building with similar ideals.

    The Ron Paul Republicans are mostly in heavy Democratic districts, so you really want to tell be the Libertarian counterparts will poll higher than the Republicans and about to unseat the Democrats?
    “Several are anti-abortion rights” – so you are pro-killing of life. How on earth can that be libertarian? That is a very antilibertarian position. BTW: Your friend Becky C is also pro-life (or “anti-abortion” rights as you formulate).
    Since LPers is about educating people, let yourself be educated also:
    http://www.heartlink.org

  14. Stefan writes: “Barr personally contributed to Allen Buckley. With the PAC in his name there are other people involved and since the money came from Republican donors, they have to go to Republicans.”

    a) It came from Barr donors, not Republicans. b) The conclusion is a non sequitur. c) The conclusion is false, because Barr did support a Democrat, one trying to beat a liberal Republican.

    Stefan: ““Several are anti-abortion rights” – so you are pro-killing of life. How on earth can that be libertarian? That is a very antilibertarian position.”

    No, that is the Party Platform, and always has been. It’s just not your candidate’s platform.

  15. Stefan: I have never suggested not donating to Allen Buckley. I have donated to Allen Buckley. What I suggested was that this en masse donations were a problem if you are pursuing a party building strategy. They’re fine if you believe that each candidate–regardless of party (as long as its not Democratic, apparently)–should be rated individually.

    Nor did I quarrel with the candidates being anti-abortion; I quarreled with their wanting to use the power of the State to enforce their own theocratic beliefs on American women. Doesn’t mean they aren’t necessarily Libertarian, but it does mean they aren’t going to get my money; which is again why I oppose this sort of misleading mass donation campaign.

    My point is very simple, despite efforts to make it complicated: I don’t think people who consider themselves as Libertarians should be contributing to Freedom Slate ’08 without being aware that in doing so they are contributing to the opponents of eight official LP candidates. Apparently a lot of people (or at least 2 or 3) are OK with that. So contribute, already.

    Just don’t lecture me about how I should be supporting “Ron Paul Repubicans” over Libertarians.

    And disinter: your actions make the argument for you. You are contributing (by your own account) at least $1,000 that will be divided up among 23 candidates, only four of whom are Libertarians, and will be spent against the campaigns of eight other Libertarians. And who are the majority of candidates you’re contributing to? Republicans. Even if, in about half a dozen cases they have filed as Republicans but don’t have the guts to list their party IDs on their websites.

    You said, above, ” I want a future for a LIBERTARIAN party, not another Repug party.” Then you donate to 17 GOPers. Certainly appears to be a consistency problem to me.

  16. And who are the majority of candidates you’re contributing to? Republicans.

    No shit shirley.

    You are contributing (by your own account) at least $1,000 that will be divided up among 23 candidates

    More pulling retarded conclusions out of your ass. You obviously don’t understand how FreedomSlate08 works, which is ironic since you are the self-appointed research queen. The donor chooses which candidate to donate to, no money is donated directly to FreedomSlate08.

    You said, above, ” I want a future for a LIBERTARIAN party, not another Repug party.”

    I sure did. Have LNC members, and the LP’s prez candidate donate to neocon Repugs that are running AGAINST LP candidates doesn’t do much to to build a LIBERTARIAN Party now does it?

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