Steve G.

GE: Ruwart To Seek LNC Spot

In Libertarian on May 26, 2008 at 12:51 pm

I hope this true. According to Jason Seagraves, Mary Ruwart May Seek a LNC Spot. I think electing a principled LNC is the only thing that can save this convention from becoming a complete disaster.

By the way, Bob Barr was on CNN this morning and apparently he said “The party is united”. Guess he figured he would get that first lie out of the way quickly or he’s very clueless.

  1. “By the way, Bob Barr was on CNN this morning and apparently he said “The party is united”. Guess he figured he would get that first lie out of the way quickly or he’s very clueless.”

    – Right, because a good politician would begin by saying, “well, now that I’m nominated, the party is hopelessly split. The bitter-end radicals won’t ever support me. Let’s face it, we’re pretty much dead in the water. Let’s spend my precious half hour on national TV talking about that, instead of libertarian issues.”

    This indicates one frustrating aspect with so much of the anti-Barr LPers: an inability to work in the political system and to put forth a message that will attract libertarian leaning Americans.

  2. I’m just saying, don’t lie about it. He’s an expert at avoiding the issue, he could have just said nothing instead of lying.

  3. By the way, Bob Barr was on CNN this morning…

    Damn, that feels good… that should be a post headline all on its own. Like him or hate his guts… **USE** HIM TO GET MEDIA EXPOSURE FOR YOUR DOWNTICKET CANDIDATES, pragmatists or hardliners!

    I’m fine with Ruwart on LNC, so long as her vision of working for the good of the Party doesn’t entails keeping the radicals in the LP’s orbit for the next convention… rather than actively undercutting the Presidential ticket for the next several months. I’m not sure if enough anti-Barr delegates will show up to the LNC debates this morning to make it happen though, and I hope there are no calls of “purges” or “takeovers” if Ruwart’s not elected because her base simply doesn’t show up to elect her.

  4. If my experience with conventions is any indication, many of the Ruwart supporters will be disgusted enough to not show up today, and as a result those who do show up will be outvoted by those who prefer a LNC which favors Barr/Root.

    I hope I am wrong, but I doubt I am.

  5. You know, as far as Bob Barr is aware, there IS unity…maybe not 100% unity (which is rarely possible), but give the man credit for trying to mend fences. At least he is going out of his way to do so, but some (not all) in the radical faction don’t want unity. The party is only as united as one wants it to be.

    Mr. Barr has gone out of his way to apologize time after time for his mistakes. He is trying to undo those mistakes and he risked alienating his non-LP supporters and making himself look like a fool by not only joining the LP two years ago, but running as our candidate. Already, conservative and GOP blogs are ridiculing him and heaping criticism upon him. Now we have people from our own party doing so.

    Realism and success are two words that are foreign to the LP, apparently.

  6. If Ruwart supporters don’t show up to support her for LNC, they have no one else but themselves to blame and only demonstrates their lack of commitment to making the LP into an organization that can *begin* the work of turning the tide from evil statism to liberty. Unfortunately, I think many in the radical wing don’t have the patience, savvy or stamina to see it through.

  7. “Mr. Barr has gone out of his way to apologize time after time for his mistakes. He is trying to undo those mistakes and he risked alienating his non-LP supporters and making himself look like a fool by not only joining the LP two years ago, but running as our candidate. Already, conservative and GOP blogs are ridiculing him and heaping criticism upon him. Now we have people from our own party doing so.”

    I will believe him when he sets a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq (and the rest of the world), revokes his comments about fighting Columbia’s drug war, and renounces any past support for the “Fair”tax.

  8. Don’t forget funding Republicans over Libertarians as well.

  9. Then let’s pressure him into creating a timeline. We’re not powerless, you know.

  10. Barr funding Republicans? Gee, I know of MANY within the LP who regularly send money to GOP candidates and vote GOP. Doesn’t look like he has deviated from long standing practice within the LP.

  11. libertarian Republicans like Larry Craig.

  12. Larry Craig? So?

    When LP members en masse refrain from supporting *any* Republican, then you will have a point. However, Many, many Libertarians have donated money, manpower and ideas to libertarian leaning Republicans. more times than I can count, local LP affiliates have agreed not to run candidates against certain GOP candidates. I’ll take an educated hunch and say that over the lifetime of the LP, more Libertarians have aided Republicans than Bob Barr has since he left the GOP. Heck, I’ll even venture to say that in the years since Bob Barr has left the GOP, more Libertarians have collectively supported GOP candidates than Bob Barr has.

    Until the LP can get over it’s long standing fascination with the GOP and some of it’s candidates/officeholders, we cannot rationally single out one LP member for lending support to the GOP unless we single out ALL LP’ers who do the same.

  13. “I saw Barr on CNN this morning, already being a two-faced liar.

    He defended DOMA, blatantly contradicting all the apologies and expressions of sympathy and understanding he offered at the debate in Denver. He also said that DOMA only protected states from having to recognize gay marriages made in other states, ignoring the provision against federal recognition of gay marriages and civil unions.

    It’s time to start organizing Libertarians Against Barr.”

    Via David Tomlin on Bob Barf Watch.

  14. Mr. Barr has gone out of his way to apologize time after time for his mistakes.

    If he had principles, he wouldn’t have any mistakes to apologize for (Ron Paul).

  15. Disinter: do you believe a person can develop principles? I’m not talking about Bob Barr, but people in general.

  16. Trosper: do you agree that sleazy politicians change their positions all the time to pander to whatever crowd they are seeking support from at the moment?

    Barf is a sleaz-ball.

  17. As Pat Rogers said:

    “It is impossible for me to believe in Bob Barr’s conversion. I am not that stupid.”

    http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/25/meet-bob-barr-your-2008-lp-nominee-for-president/#comment-117872

  18. Pat Rogers again:

    “People who believe that Bob Barr has somehow converted from his authoritarian past are the same people who believed Hitler when he said there were no death camps.”

  19. Well, one thing’s for certain, Mary Ruwart never got elected to any office whatsoever; for all the griping, Barr at least became a congressman.

    The anarchist crowds favor the donkey shows and the wiping of child consent laws, so frankly, their messenger is discredited solely on the positions they all favor and support.

    Don’t vote for the ticket in November. But there will be hundreds of thousands more to take your place. I look forward to helping cultivate those votes.

  20. Well, one thing’s for certain, Mary Ruwart never got elected to any office whatsoever;

    Neither will Barf, running as a Libertarian. At least Mary doesn’t flop from one party to another, from one ideology to another, to whore herself out… like Barf.

  21. “Barr funding Republicans? Gee, I know of MANY within the LP who regularly send money to GOP candidates and vote GOP. Doesn’t look like he has deviated from long standing practice within the LP.”

    There’s a difference between voting for libertarians like Ron Paul or Tom McClintock, and giving money to several Republican incumbents who have Libertarian opponents and anti-liberty voting records.

    “Well, one thing’s for certain, Mary Ruwart never got elected to any office whatsoever; for all the griping, Barr at least became a congressman.”

    That was supposedly before Barr had his conversion. Barr can either campaign on his supposed libertarian ideas or he can campaign on his congressional service. He cannot have it both ways.

  22. More and more poeple are sounding like Dondero these days. Bottom line – folks are bad mouthing (and have been bad mouthing) Mary for political gains. If you don’t understand what she was trying to state in her book that is lack of intelligence on your part – it doesn’t mean that she advocates what they say she does.

  23. Babar never apologized for DOMA. He only expressed regret for what some *other* people had done with some of the language in it. No admission of personal responsibility or guilt.

    This LanguageLog entry is mostly about one of Hillary’s non-apologies, but perhaps it will provide you with a framework for understanding Babar-speak:

    http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=187

  24. I never heard ANY explicit apologies for his bad decisions in the past.
    That is the main reason why I don’t trust the man. It would go over really well
    if he admitted he was wrong, wrong, wrong. Standing up there and talking the talk doesn’t cut it.

  25. If you don’t understand what she was trying to state in her book that is lack of intelligence on your part – it doesn’t mean that she advocates what they say she does.

    True, see here:

    http://praxeology.net/blog/2008/04/25/ruwart-on-childrens-rights/

  26. I have no problem believing that Barr has changed his views and beliefs, and is a Libertarian. I know it is possible, because I have recently done it myself. For years, I was a Republican, and was totally brainwashed by their platform, radio host mouth-pieces, etc. Then, I finally got fed up with their big gov’t, big spending, loss of rights crap. I became a card carrying, monthly contributing Libertarian. At first, I had some problems with some platform items. After much research into these items, such as the ‘War on Drugs’, I have changed my long-held views.
    I know Barr could’ve done the same thing. Maybe he is a work in progress, but he wouldn’t have made the commitment to change parties without a lot of soul-searching(I Know!).
    I usually feel so good about the party, and get on the Internet whenever possible, to keep in touch. I am a cross-country truck driver, so I can’t get directly involved in the party. Then I start reading all the fighting, name-calling, etc., which isn’t very mature, huh disinter?
    I can’t believe that all wouldn’t be anxious to unite, and get on with the election. Just as in the other party’s, the nominee may not be everyone’s choice, but he was nominated by the guidelines. Next convention, you can try to get more support for your candidate, and get him/her nominated. That is how it works.
    I get irritated when people in are judgement of others, deciding that they aren’t Libertarian enough. If these people had their way, how big would the party be-2,000 purists that meet their requirements? Commom sense is to attract as many people to the party as possible, and then they can be works in progress, too. It is easy to grow your Libertarian beliefs.
    Wonder how many prospective new members have been turned-off, and turned away from joining after reading these sites?

  27. Then, I finally got fed up with their big gov’t, big spending, loss of rights crap.

    Oh, you mean the stuff that Bob Barr voted for? You sounds like you were against them all along, but finally realized the Repug party was the opposite. The difference with Barr was he KNEW what he was voting for.

    BTW, Barr is STILL financally supporting Republicans, some of which are running against Libertarians (where is the outrage?), that publicly support those things you mentioned.

  28. Al – You’re right in comment #1, but like Jason said, he could have been diplomatic while still telling the truth. He could have said, “It was a close fought nomination, and like all such contests, we have some wounds that need healing. I’m confident that I will be able to convince those folks who still aren’t sure about me and we’ll be able to unite this party and have tremendous success in November.”

  29. Gene – How do you think Root and Barr, especially Root, would have reacted if Mary had won? How about all those GA delegates? Tell the truth.

  30. Barr said on stage that he would work to repeal “that provision” — referring to either DOMA or a provision thereof. Wiggle room. That was during the debate. But later, he CLEARLY stated that he would work to repeal DOMA. Now he’s on CNN saying DOMA’s a good thing? Already? Bob Barr, have you no shame?

  31. Barf flip-flopped? Never!

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