Steve G.

Murray Sabrin – Worthy of support?

In Congress, Immigration, Republican on February 12, 2008 at 9:45 pm

Of the numerous individuals running for Congress as “Ron Paul Republicans,” only one has earned the Good Doctor’s official endorsement. Murray Sabrin, who as a Libertarian candidate for New Jersey governor achieved 5% of the vote (and accepted “matching funds”), is that one lucky candidate. And now Trevor Lyman, organizer of the first Ron Paul money bomb; and Larry Lepard, who paid for the full-page USA Today ad; have gotten behind Dr. Sabrin. In fact, there is an effort to have a money bomb for Sabrin‘s senatorial campaign, and with the Paul campaign winding down, those inclined toward “Ron Paul Republicanism” should take a closer look at Sabrin.

A closer look, indeed. I was at first excited to hear about Sabrin running for U.S. Senate, but troubled by his lack of an “on the issues” section to his Web site. Other than being for the gold standard and Ron Paul, it was unclear what Dr. Sabrin stood for. Now the “on the issues” page is up at his site, and there are some troubling anti-libertarian and even anti-Paulian positions Sabrin champions.

First, Sabrin says he supports the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, “rolling back federal government,” and implicitly abolishing the Department of Education. But later, he advocates big-government, unconstitutional programs such as “education savings accounts” and, worse yet, vouchers. Where in the Constitution are these things authorized?

Disregard for the Constitution extends into Sabrin’s anti-abortion stances. Instead of merely stating a personal opposition to abortion and advocating decentralism, Sabrin supports the unconstitutional federal partial-birth abortion ban and chides his opponent for not cheering on this exercise in federal power-mongering. Then he goes further by advocating a federal law to “criminalize” harming an “unborn fetus during the commission of a crime.” Again, where in the Constitution are these powers delegated to Congress?

And of course, Sabrin takes the Know-Nothing approach to immigration, greatly outdoing Ron Paul here. Unlike Paul, he advocates using confiscated tax dollars and eminent domain to build a socialist wall keeping Mexicans out and Americans in. And worse yet, his cultural protectionism extends to a demand for English as a “national language.” Libertarians aren’t, or at least shouldn’t be, for national anything.

In fact, out of thirteen issues Sabrin chooses to focus on, at least nine are anti-libertarian, wishy-washy, or contradicted by his other issue stances. For example, what the heck does “paying down debt by rating programs’ effectiveness mean”? Should we only eliminate socialist schemes that are “ineffective”? And do we really need a Balanced-Budget Amendment to the Constitution? If we were to summon the political will to achieve that, wouldn’t it be better to pass an amendment abolishing the income tax and/or Federal Reserve? A little debt is not the worst thing in the world — the means by which debt is monetized and what the government does with the money it borrows are far bigger concerns.

If he were elected, I’m sure Murray Sabrin would be the most libertarian member of the Senate. But before deciding to support his candidacy, one must take his anti-libertarian positions into account. In contrast to Ron Paul’s presidential bid, the only real good of a Sabrin candidacy would come from actual electoral victory. From a “movement” perspective, nothing is to be gained by a candidate who not only fails the purity test, but seems to be ignorant of the Constitution’s limits on government and hostile to the notions of cultural freedom and free-market pluralism.

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  3. Doesn’t the 5th ammendment of the Constitution prohibit abortion?

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, (nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;) nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Where is the due process for the unborn? The unborn is alive!! The unborn is human! The unborn has a God given right to life!

  4. Murray could stop S. 1959 with a fillibuster if elected. Just that one fact alone should give him all the support we can muster.

  5. It’ll be interesting to see if the “Ron Paul Republican” movement takes off.

  6. George – Who is this, Phillies? Neither the 5th amendment, nor any other part of the Bill of Rights, place any limits on individuals or states — just the federal government. And they don’t even really do that, because the federal government is only supposed to be able to do things that are enumerated elsewhere in the Constitution.

    George is a liberal statist who happens to be pro-life. Using his logic, it is against the law for a property owner to ban profanity on his private property, since the First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech. MORON!

  7. Im sorry to say, do some research. Dr. Sabrin has made it quite clear in many debates and news programs, where he stands on all important issues. The man is an economic genious. Please, go to youtube.com and just watch one of the interviews where the NJ liberal media makes man, I am happy to say, unsucessful attempts to fluster him.

    In addition, with reguards to abortion, I feel you confuse his moral views, with his political views. He is Pro-life, he beleives that life exists at inception, but that doesn’t mean he, or anyone in the federal government should tell a women what she can and can not do. Its like smoking, he belevies people should not smoke, but he is not going to tell you that you can not, if you so choose to do so.

    Bottom line, leave it up to states, or local goverment, bring it it to vote, thats the beauty of our republic. And, if anything that shows his emmense understanding what the founding fathers actually intended the document to mean, which is that power not explicitly stated by the consitution for the federal government, should be reserved for the states.

  8. WTF are you talking about? Research? It was right there on his Web site. He was for “education savings accounts” and vouchers, neither of which is any more constitutional than No Child Left Behind. It said right on his site that he supported the unconstitutional federal partial-birth abortion ban, and unconstitutional federal laws against harming the fetus in the commission of a crime. I’m pro-life, to be clear, but these powers are NOT delegated to the federal government via the Constitution. By advocating them, Sabrin is proving himself to be an extra-constitutionalist in the Barack Obama/George W. Bush mold, and NOT worthy of anyone’s support.

    So WTF are you talking about “research”? Everything was right there on his site. All of the above; his support for a national-socialist language and eminent-domain border wall; etc. Nine out of thirteen issues on Sabrin’s page were “anti-libertarian, wishy-washy, or contradicted by his other issue stances.” You need to do the research, moron. Start by reading the Constitution.

  9. ge, Amendment XIV, DOES place restrictions on states in MANY matters:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

  10. 14th amendment… Was.Not.Ratified.

  11. GE, not ratified? Sure seems to be in every source I can see.

    Is the 14th A not a fact?

    Or, are you trying to suggest that the ratification process was somehow flawed? Was the 13th “ratified”? 15th? etc.

  12. What’s so hard to follow? The 13th and 15th were ratified. The 14th was not. Surely you’re familiar with the facts of the case, right?

    http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html

  13. hmm, this sounds vaguely familiar. I’ve heard similar arguments about the 16th. Might have some merit. I’ve even heard arguments that the Constitution itself was not properly ratified.

    at the moment, the Constitution, 14 and 16A, are in force. Perhaps they weren’t properly ratified, but this all seems a futile attempt to nullify them. might be a good thing, might not.

    it’s my understanding that nullification of 16’s been tried, and failed. I wouldn’t hang my hat on such esoteric matters, but surely others can. I’d say there are bigger, more important fish to fry.

  14. The stuff about the 16th is at best wishful thinking; at worst, just plain stupidity. The 16th was ratified. It granted only a narrow power that Congress didn’t already have anyway. Morons get hung up on it because, well, they’re morons.

    The stuff about the 14th isn’t in the “might have some merit” category — it’s in the “yeah, it’s true, but so what?”, and that’s from non-libertarians. The fact is that it wasn’t ratified. It’s not really up to debate. And that amendment has been used for the massive ramp-up in the size of the federal government, all of which has been illegal.

    If you accept the 14th, then you’re in deep Big Brother territory. We were always at war with Eurasia, and the 14th amendment was ratified.

  15. GE, I accept that the 14th is IN FORCE. It seems to not be a good use of my time to assess whether its ratification was properly done or not. The 1860s were tumultuous time, what with the Insurrection having to be put down and all. You seem to’ve spent time making your assessment, and it sounds like you’ve had an epiphany on the matter. Good for you!

    I do suspect if everyone had your epiphany and the 14th were reintroduced as an amendment, it would be easily and properly ratified this time. You could make a case against it, but that strikes me as a quixotic endeavor. Personally, I tend to avoid the quixotic…why spend the energy?

    And, now that you mention it, we always DO seem to be at war, in some form.

  16. If you accept the 14th as legitimate, then you accept dictatorship. It was not ratified. The entire government, as a result, is entirely illegitimate. I don’t think this is somehow “unimportant.”

  17. GE, please don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t use the word “legitimate.” I said “in force.” Legitimacy is a theoretical construct, and I don’t find much insight in constructs.

  18. I didn’t put words in your mouth.

    Antisemitic policies were “in force” under the Third Reich. I’m talking about legitimacy.

  19. Well, yes, you are, GE. Could be that the US = Nazis. Seems, then, we’re all screwed. Oh well. Could be that language such as “nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” is “Nazi,” in you book, but in mine, it sounds pretty darned positive.

  20. The ends justify the means, huh? Very Nazi-esque. And of course, being a regimist, you don’t care to look at the horrible ways in which the illegal 14th has been applied. Whatever. If you’re a libertarian, then I need a new word for what I am.

  21. OK, GE, say the selected passage was in a state constitution and it said “county,” not “state.” Would you toss yourself on the barricades about THAT, too? While we’re at it, it seems your REAL objection is the State, not the laws of the State. Laws are an afterthought.

    It’s quite true that I’m not an absolutist. I liked Ron Paul’s approach, where he picks out more “offensive” aspects of the government for reductions. Holding high the banner on, say, laws against murder may not quite be “justified,” but I accept them. I even support them, until the day comes where the State whithers away.

  22. Murray Sabin was a race track gambler that squandered contributions on the horses. He lost more than our money, he lost our respect and injured the freedom movement. Ron Paul should have checked him out better before endorsing him.

  23. 1. Does Sabrin say whether he wants to see his “education savings accounts” and vouchers instituted at the federal or state level? Granted, I’m opposed to them at all levels of government, but at least at the state level they are not technically unconstitutional.

    2. Although I agree that we should amend the constitution to abolish income taxation, I have to say that I do not see the balanced-budget amendment as being anti-libertarian.

    3. Let us assume for sake of argument that the 14th amendment had been properly ratified. Even if this be the case, it does not grant to the federal government the authority to regulate abortion or murder in any way. In accordance with the 5th amendment, the U.S. government cannot itself perform or fund abortions. In accordance with the 14th amendment, no state can perform or fund abortions, either. Beyond this, abortion regulation is entirely a state issue, in accordance with the tenth amendment, and thus may not be regulated at all by the federal government unless the federal constitution is hereafter amended to allow the federal government this degree of power. Legally speaking, only states can ban abortion.

    4. Considering that all statist power is illegitimate, the question of whether the 14th amendment in particular is “legitimate” seems to be a bit silly. But Mr. Capozzi is correct that it is “in effect,” for better or worse. The fact that taxation is theft and that theft is a natural crime does not, unfortunately, change the fact that the 16th amendment is “in effect,” and although I may (and do) argue that it is illegal on grounds of the supremacy of natural law, I have no illusions that a criminal gang like the federal government is going to listen to me and cease its criminal ways simply because due to my willingness to point out that the emperor is naked. The war on drugs is yet another example of a statist institution that is “in effect” while being both illegitimate and in violation of natural law. Yet I find nothing unlibertarian about pointing out that it is indeed “in effect.”

    Sincerely yours,
    Alex Peak

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