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Boston Tea Party convention starts this evening

In Activism, Boston Tea Party, Candidate Endorsement, Libertarian, Politics, Thomas L. Knapp on October 24, 2008 at 8:39 pm

The Boston Tea Party starts its online convention this evening (Friday, October 24th) at 9pm ET.  The party will be voting in new officers, as well as voting upon various proposals.

The convention continues for 24 hours, and ends on Saturday, October 24th at 8:59pm ET.  If candidates and proposals are not resolved pursuant to their Bylaws, futher polling cycles will start, each running 24 hours, until a final candidate / proposal decision is made.  

I am excited to note that some of our most respected LFV contributors – including George Donnelly and Thomas Knapp – are running for BTP office.  

Tom Knapp is of course also the founder of the Boston Tea Party, and in my opinion showed excellent logic, temperament, and leadership ability in his handling of a controversy which recently resulted in the resignation of multiple BTP officers and officer candidates.  I therefore very highly endorse Tom Knapp, as he has proven his ability to handle any situation which may arise, no matter how delicate or controversial.

Additionally, a couple of other BTP candidates are also well known to LFV readers, including Jason Gatties (a longtime contributor who took a break to work on his local political campaign) and Steve Newton (“Delaware Libertarian”, whose writing has regularly appeared on LFV with his permission).

The current Chair is not running for reelection, and the Vice Chair recently resigned along with multiple At-Large Representatives.  Interestingly, as a result, the only incumbent is Michelle Luetge for Secretary.

Both Chair candidates have BTP blogs, which you can read to get a feel for both candidates.

You can read Jason Gatties’ BTP blog.

Here is George Donnelly’s BTP blog.

I was especially impressed to see that Jason Gatties actually nominated George Donnelly to run against him, in the belief that competition will only make the party stronger.  What a great attitude!  Either Jason or George would be excellent as Chair, in my opinion, so the BTP is lucky to have them as candidates. 

In the meantime, here is the election information from the BTP website, which (thanks to Tom Knapp!) LFV readers are the very first to see.

Per the bylaws, each member may vote for one candidate for each office; polls repeat as necessary until either one candidate, or NOTA, receives a majority. Each polling cycle runs 24 hours, beginning at 9pm Eastern, October 24th, 2008. Human candidates listed in alphabetical order by last name.

Chair
George Donnelly
Jason Gatties
None of the Above

Vice-Chair
Douglass Gaking
Matty Grossman
None of the Above

Secretary
Michelle Luetge
None of the Above

Election of At-Large National Committee Members

Per the bylaws, at-large national committee members are elected by “approval voting.” Each member may cast one vote for each candidate whom that member supports; the four candidates who receive the most votes are elected. Because of technical issues (no “approval voting” module available for this version of the site’s software), each candidate appears in a separate poll. YOU MUST VOTE IN A SEPARATE POLL FOR EACH CANDIDATE WHOM YOU SUPPORT IF YOU WANT THAT SUPPORT TO COUNT. These polls remain open for the duration of the convention. Human candidates listed in reverse alphabetical order by last name.

Candidates
Steve Trinward
Neil Kiernan Stephenson
Darryl W. Perry
Steve Newton
Andrew Martin
Thomas L. Knapp
Bill Jones
Matty Grossman

Bylaws Proposals (from committee)

This space will link to bylaws amendments recommended by the national committee/bylaws committee for polling. Each member may cast one vote (“yes” or “no”) on adoption of each proposal. Per the bylaws, polling on these proposals will last 24 hours, beginning at the opening of the convention, with with 2/3 or more of voting members’ support required to adopt an amendment.

Committee Bylaws Proposal #1

The Bylaws Committee proposes a change to Article 9, Section h, which states,

“Any action of the National Committee may be appealed by Party members comprising 5% or more of the membership, said appeal to be transmitted or called to the attention of both the Chair and the Secretary. In the case of such appeal, the appeal shall be published to the Party’s web site and the Party’s membership shall be polled on the question of whether to sustain or uphold the Committee’s action to suspend. The poll shall open within 10 days of the appeal’s publication, and shall remain open for 10 days. The National Committee’s action shall be overturned by a vote of 2/3 or more among voting members.”

The change would be the section which says “5% or more of the membership” to “5 or more party members,” so that the complete section will be as follows:

“Any action of the National Committee may be appealed by Party members comprising 5 or more party members, said appeal to be transmitted or called to the attention of both the Chair and the Secretary. In the case of such appeal, the appeal shall be published to the Party’s web site and the Party’s membership shall be polled on the question of whether to sustain or uphold the Committee’s action to suspend. The poll shall open within 10 days of the appeal’s publication, and shall remain open for 10 days. The National Committee’s action shall be overturned by a vote of 2/3 or more among voting members.”

(the changed section is in bold)

Committee Bylaws Proposal #2

The Bylaws Committee proposes the addition of Article 8, Section i:

“Officers of the National Committee may serve no more than two consecutive terms in the same national party office.”

Committee Bylaws Proposal #3

The Bylaws Committee proposes the addition of Article 9, Section i:

“National Committee members, under any circumstances, are strictly prohibited from working for the party’s nominated Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidates in a public, official capacity while serving their terms on the National Committee. Officers who wish to engage in such activity shall either resign their seats from the National Committee or recuse themselves from an official public and political capacity while serving on the Board.

“1) Official capacity is defined as any campaign officer, manager or coordinator of campaign activities, any person listed in campaign web sites or documents as member of the campaign, and anyone otherwise involved with the national campaign in a paid or voluntary capacity.

“2) Other activities such as assisting with ballot access in a voluntary capacity, donating personally to a campaign, and promoting the campaign as an individual supporter are acceptable.

“3) Members of the National Committee may run for the party’s nomination for President or Vice President. While running for the party’s nomination, National Committee members must recuse themselves from all voting in any National Committee decisions until after the nomination is complete. If nominated to run for national office, a member of the National Committee must resign from the committee.”

Bylaws Proposals (from the membership)

After the adoption or rejection of the national committee/bylaws committee’s proposals, bylaws proposals shall be solicited from the membership in a post linked to from this space. Proposals shall be submitted via the appended comment form, and polls shall be linked to from this space. Each proposal moved and seconded in this manner, within 24 hours of the solicitation posting, shall be considered concurrently with all others, with proposal polls open for 24 hours. Each proposal receives the support of 2/3 or more of the voting members shall be deemed adopted.

Program Proposals (from committee)

This space will link to program points recommended by the national committee/program committee for polling. Each member may cast one vote (“yes” or “no”) on adoption of each point. Per the bylaws, polling on these points will last 24 hours, beginning at the opening of the convention, with 2/3 or more of voting members’ support required to adopt a program point. If fewer than five program points are adopted, the floor will be open for member proposal of additional points.

Committee Point Proposal #1

Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

Committee Point Proposal #2

Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, elimination of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

Committee Point Proposal #3

The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

Committee Point Proposal #4

The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.

Program Proposals (from the membership)

In the event that fewer than five committee-proposed program points are adopted above, this space will link to a member proposal space and polls on proposed points. Points will be polled in the order proposed and seconded, with no more polls running than would cause the program to exceed five points if all were adopted. Each proposal will be polled for 12 hours, with 2/3 or more of voting members’ support required to adopt a program point.

Resolutions

At the opening of the convention, this space will link to a resolution solicitation post. All members may move resolutions (statements of the party exclusive of its platform, program or bylaws). All resolutions moved and seconded within 24 hours of the opening of solicitation space will be polled. Polls will run for 24 hours; resolutions supported by 2/3 or more of voting members will be adopted.

LFV readers, what do you think of the candidates and proposals? Please note your endorsements, as well as any concerns, in the comments section.

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  1. Thanks for the coverage ENM. I hope not only hope the current members get very involved with the voting this weekend, but I also hope this public process encourages others to join the party.

    If elected, I will work very hard to bring stability to this party, which is very important if we are to be taken seriously.

    George Donnelly would also make for a fine Chairman, so the choice is yours.

  2. Thanks ENM, I didn’t know I was respected! ;)

    If you think government is too big or intrusive, you agree with the Boston Tea Party platform and need to join us today. Visit the website and let’s get to work!

    Best of luck to all the candidates.

  3. [...] 25, 2008 by ElfNinosMom Earlier today, I covered the ongoing BTP convention.  Checking into some of the National Committee candidates with whom I am unfamiliar, I ran across [...]

  4. Sorry guys, but I can’t not report on the ages of some of the candidates, when one is barely out of elementary school.

    What on earth was the BTP thinking? Ugh.

  5. If you all think you were marginalized by being Libertarians how much more will you be marginalized now?

  6. Can’t not report? Okay! Report away.

    What’s the big deal? A person’s a person, no matter how young.

    How easily we forget. It was not a hundred years ago that the idea of a woman running for office was a novelty – Wyoming seemed okay with a woman governor but many states banned the practice. And women were expected to have fathers or husbands reflect on their wishes when casting a vote – a fatuous idea if there ever were one.

    There is an error in your report. Only one national committee member, Chris Bennett, resigned. Elle Larkin did not resign.

  7. @Dave I submit in response to your comment a short article I wrote on why I joined the Boston Tea Party. (Note: I’m NOT quitting the LP or giving up on it.)

    http://georgedonnelly.com/politics/why-boston-tea-party

  8. From what I understand, Vice Chair Todd Andrew Barnett also resigned.

    There is a huge difference between an adult female seeking office, and someone barely out of elementary school seeking office.

  9. Barnett was an officer. One officer, one committee member. It is amazing how unpleasant Tom Knapp can be to people who do things he doesn’t like.

    There is a huge difference between an adult female seeking office and someone out of elementary school seeking office. You like one and dislike the other.

    Here’s another huge difference: the constitution permits the one, now (didn’t used to) and does not permit the other, yet. But that’s only for national office. You have to get into the Boston Tea Party’s offices to find eligibility for younger people.

    Here’s another huge difference: women only used to be the subject for discrimination, abuse at the hands of their owners, essentially chattel slaves for all intents and purposes. Children still are.

    Tie them to your apron, Mama. They might get away and have thoughts on their own. They might decide you were mean. Oh, I know you were only doing what’s best when you beat them with the wooden kitchen spoon, but, seriously, don’t let them go out on their own to meet people who haven’t been beaten with wooden kitchen spoons. Your children, if not thoroughly dumbed down, are going to be resentful. And they might be more resentful than mature.

  10. I have never beaten a child in my entire life, so you have no idea what you are talking about.

  11. You say you have never beaten a child. But what do your children say?

    Women are clearly too stupid, too hysterical, and too violent to be trusted with the vote. Women are not sufficiently mature. Women should not run for office, and any political party that allows it should be scorned.

    Does that make any sense? No, it does not. It is senseless and it is stupid. You don’t like it when it is said about women. So why say it about youngsters?

  12. Looks like Jason is chair, Douglass vice, Luetge secretary. All bylaws proposals passed. All program points passed. Right now, the program of BTP is the program of the campaign for liberty.

    Two resolutions are now being considered. One protests the police brutality at Hofstra during the last debate. The second objects to overseas military occupation and wars without a declaration of war.

    Davidson is out. Two more days on the at large members. Out with the old and in with the new.

    “That sonofabitch van Owen, blew off Roland’s head.”

  13. @Laertes If you’re going to make baseless accusations, at least drop the pseudonym and have the courage to attach your name to it.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, especially when expressed on their own property. If you intend to be active in politics I suggest you learn to respect that and engage people civilly. Any other manner of engaging persons only brings discredit on yourself.

  14. I can’t believe you just said women are too stupid to vote! If you really believe that, I feel sorry for you.

  15. @Laertes: This is ENM’s son. WTF is your problem? You keep repeatedly posting the same lies about my mother in thread after thread. I can’t decide if you are crazy, or stupid, or both.

  16. The point, elfnino, is that it is okay for your mother to attack other people’s children, deny them their individual liberty, demand that they be stripped of political power, and yell at them. But when anyone attacks her relationship to her children, that is of course off limits. Sickening hypocrisy.

    Cilla, if you read the very next paragraph, I make it clear that I don’t think so. Apparently, it is okay for ENM to say that Andrew Martin is too stupid to vote and Matty Grossman may be too stupid to vote, and everyone else just out of elementary school is too stupid to vote, but it is not okay to say that adult women are too stupid to vote.

    Are you a bigot, or are you beginning to get these distinctions?

    None of you hypocrites care about the freedom of anyone but people like yourselves.

  17. An IP check shows that Laertes is Jim Davidson.

  18. Whoa, surprise, I didn’t expect Jim Davidson to act like that.

  19. “There is a huge difference between an adult female seeking office, and someone barely out of elementary school seeking office.”

    Yes, there is.

    There’s also a huge difference between a white male CPA seeking office, and a purple, 50-tentacled space alien seeking office.

    What of it? You can point out differences all day long, but what you have yet to offer evidence for is the proposition that any of these differences constitute essential qualifying or non-qualifying criteria.

    Joan of Arc was 17 when she beat the English at Orleans.

    Alexander the Great was ten when he tamed Bucephalus, 16 when he assumed the regency of Macedon, and 33 when he died, having conquered most of the known world.

    Andrew Jackson was 13 when he joined the Continental Army, was taken as a prisoner of war, and received a scar to his face from a sword for refusing to polish a British officer’s boots.

    People are either qualified or unqualified for the positions they seek — and their age per se is not evidence of which.

  20. “There’s also a huge difference between a white male CPA seeking office, and a purple, 50-tentacled space alien seeking office.”

    Which one is Aaron Starr?

    (Sorry, couldn’t resist a setup line like that!)

  21. “There’s also a huge difference between a white male CPA seeking office, and a purple, 50-tentacled space alien seeking office.”

    Is that a One-Eyed, One-Horned, Flying Purple People Eater?

    LOL!

  22. George: I am not at all surprised that Davidson would act like that. Had you seen some of the crap he has sent me outside the blogs, you’d understand why it doesn’t surprise me. In fact, I will send the last one to you, from a couple of weeks ago, so you can see for yourself what Jim Davidson is really like.

    This all started when I removed him from LFV months ago for acting like a spoiled brat – I had also received serious complaints about his behavior from other contributors in the month or so he was here – he has been harassing, threatening, and abusing me in private and semi-private email, and I am sick to death of dealing with him. He has even admitted in writing that he has “malice” against me, if you can believe that. Yet I have never even so much as had a personal conversation with this creep.

    I tried ignoring him, believe me. I haven’t said word one to this man since he was removed from contributing to LFV. Yet the harassment never stops. Every time I think I’m finally rid of him, it starts again.

    You don’t have to take my word for it, though. Feel free to ask Angela Keaton about the abuse I’ve had to put up with since I took over LFV. It’s beyond ridiculous.

  23. I’m still new around here so that’s probably why I’m surprised.

    Perhaps you should take this up with law enforcement? Or maybe your email provider can be of help in blocking the emails?

  24. Hah, George, I thought your surprise was ironic. You haven’t figured out that Jim is an ass yet?

  25. I’m getting the picture now :)

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